*UPDATE 7-29-11* Jeff Owens was released from the Philadelphia Eagles today. I don't think he ever got playing time. Today he was waived/didn't pass physical. I sent him a tweet, but feel bad for him.
http://twitter.com/#!/rationalsquad/status/96794836602068992
I'm a huge Philadelphia Eagles fan which is why I follow many of the players on Twitter. Occassionally one of them will tweet something about God and I just can't keep my trap shut, I say something. Today Jeff Owens responded to my tweet and was willing to indulge me in a day long back and forth conversation (transcript below). I hope he got something out of it, maybe someday it'll lead him to question. Should he choose to, I would be glad to show him what I've learned over the years, what I've managed to become after shedding my Christian roots. Should he choose to I would be glad to show him just how powerful he is, how amazing his coaches and family have been for him, and how he managed to reach the NFL without any help from invisible powers in the sky.
Jeff Owens is currently a practice squad DT for the Philadelphia Eagles after being drafted in the 7th round of the NFL draft in 2010. He goes by jeffowens95 on twitter. My responses to Jeff came from @rationalsquad (I also use @BrianSapient).
Since twitter posts show up in reverse chronological order I've attempted to piece them together, put them in chrono order, and make the discussion a little easier to read. The following is what we said:
Jeff Owens: Good morning twitter fam, this is another day to give thanks for all the many blessing God has given us... #ThankYouJesus!!!!
Brian Sapient: There is no rational reason to believe in a god or thank it for blessings. Thank the people that raised you for doing it well.
Jeff Owens: There is a God, and he loves you
Brian Sapient: A nice sentiment, but we have no solid evidence a God or Jesus exists. The bible is full of flaws, have you read it?
Jeff Owens: I read it daily, so if there isn't any proof of a God who made the earth???
Brian Sapient: How do you justify God condoning and making rules about slavery in the bible? Video on Earth formation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x8-KMR0nx8
Jeff Owens: that was Gods will, everything happens for a reason
Brian Sapient: Can you come up with a good reason that God would condone and advise on how to keep slaves? Doesn't seem loving in the least.
Jeff Owens: have u ever read the bible???
Brian Sapient: Of course Jeff. It was because I read the bible that I realized the story isn't possible. All loving God that didn't love all? An all knowing God that doesn't know where Adam is when he gets to the Garden, or who told them he was naked. An all knowing God that didn't know the serpent he created would trick Adam and Eve, a God not loving enough to plan better. Those ideas that I just mentioned, we're just talking the first few pages. There are too many contradictions for it to be...
Jeff Owens: you should read a book call Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren...
Brian Sapient: I've read it, I even own a site that is responding to his "Purpose of Christmas" http://www.thepurposeofchristmas.net
Jeff Owens: I just started reading it, it will enlighten you on what God has call you to do in life, we live to serve God
Brian Sapient: Seriously Jeff you can't honestly say that allowing and condoning slavery was good or just or worthy of worship. Can you?
Jeff Owens: that was Gods will, everything happens for a reason
Jeff Owens: I'll worship Christ no matter what, like Job he loss his family his fortune and his health, but he worship God no matter what
Brian Sapient: Even if I could prove that Christ never existed and the God of the bible is impossible you would continue to worship?
Jeff Owens: That's one thing you can't prove, there is a God and I believe that you believe that too
Brian Sapient: Ok so you don't want to answer that question along with why God condoned slavery. I understand what's happening there.
Brian Sapient: Are you interested in books that challenge your beliefs at all? I would be glad to give you several.
Jeff Owens: no I'm not I love worshiping God
Brian Sapient: What if you're wrong Jeff? What if you're wasting the only life you get on a fantasy? Not worshiping God is nice as well man.
Jeff Owens: I have faith
Brian Sapient: Faith is useless man. You can have faith in smurfs or goblins too, that doesn't change the fact that you could be wrong.
Jeff Owens: Jesus will never leave you or forsake u
Brian Sapient: That's a sweet sentiment Jeff, but tell that to the people who will die of starvation or cancer today. They pray too you know.
Jeff Owens: everybody have a path
Brian Sapient: Dear people dying of cancer or starvation: Everyone has a path. Hope that makes you feel better. @jeffowens95
Jeff Owens: yes we all do... Retweet this, Christ died for our sins there is no greater love!!!
Brian Sapient: I don't believe God came down to Earth to sacrifice himself to himself so that we can escape his wrath. It makes no sense.
Brian Sapient: Here's a list of contradictions in the bible if any of this conversation has you curious. http://tinyurl.com/2t8ou
Jeff OWens: do you believe in UFOs???
Brian Sapient: We don't have scientific proof of aliens in UFOs yet, but we have more evidence for them than Jesus/God. You?
Jeff Owens: how can u believe in UFOs but not God????
Brian Sapient: You didn't understand me, I didn't say that. I said we have more EVIDENCE for UFOs than God. Neither are firmly proven.
Jeff Owens: Final Thoughts: there is a God and he love you, he sent his son to die for you, he created all things
Brian Sapient: My Final Thoughts: You and all other XIANS can't prove that God is real and therefore might as well worship aliens or smurfs.