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Ray Rice said his win was Gods will.

Tonight in Pittsburgh a straw broke a camels back.  After the Ravens beat the Steelers, Ray Rice gets interviewed and credits god with the win.  He said he told his team last night that they need to put themselves in the right positions on the field to receive the Lords blessings.  He also said that on the field he reminded his players to be in blessings positions.  

"I kept going to em and saying 'it's his will' 'it's his will.'" - Ray Rice on what he told his team during the game

 

He finishes this epic god dick sucking fest with, "to come out and win like we did today, I tell you God is amazing." Wow.  It's moments like this that fuel my activism.  We've got to speak up to drown out those voices that have such a huge stage.  I'll start with sending him a few strongly worded tweets.  Read these from the bottom up if you want to read them in order.

 

 Brian Sapient 
 
 Does it even dawn on you that your God wouldn't choose a football team preference? Check yourself.  
 Brian Sapient 
 
 Kids look up to you, stop perpetuating something as ridiculous as the idea that your pretend god hates the Steelers.
 Brian Sapient 
 
 1,000 kids died of starvation while you were on the field tonight and you think God will was deliver you blessings on the field!
 Brian Sapient 
 
 talking about the role you think God played in your game? You're helping to perpetuate a ridiculously stupid concept. STOP.

That second one should have read "1,000 kids died of starvation while you were on the field tonight and you think God will deliver you blessings on the field!"

 

What does Occupy have to do with non-theism?

I along with almost everyone I know supports the Occupy Wall Street movement.  I was included in an email yesterday from Emily Paine.  I'd really like to give her piece a bigger audience, so with her permission, here is what she had to say about Occupy and how a connection to us.

 

 


Dear Fellow Atheists, Secular Humanists, Freethinkers and other Nontheists,

Why is it that we don’t see many Christian fundamentalists or Tea Partiers taking part in Occupy? Because of an alliance that began in the 70s. Back then, corporations wanted more of a voice and religious Americans needed more cash. The result was the “Moral Majority.” This 40-year alliance explains why religious right wingers, who claim to be moral and pro-family, vote with Tea Partiers against help for families and the working class – after all, we can’t afford all that and letting corporations off the hook in paying taxes.

 

Luckily the number of fed-up people has grown about as fast as a CEO’s annual bonus and we now have the power to cut the corporate influence that has infested our politics. Since six mega-corporations now control much of our prime time news flow (see Who Owns the Media?), mainstream media hasn’t been covering Occupy too accurately, to put it nicely.

 

And it’s not just FOX. The rest of corporate media minimizes the message by focusing on clashes, using words like "terrorism" and the "destruction and violence" that supposedly accompany "anticapitalist demonstrations." With the Oakland fiasco, the networks covered the police brutality but played down the message. That night ABC first treated us to a story about Bernie Madoff’s wife. Only after did they show footage of tear gas flashing through a rose-colored fog, a symphony of yells, shouts, cries and screams in accompaniment. ABC punctuated its coverage by citing an unidentified poll showing the Movement’s “unpopularity.” A fact check, however, revealed the opposite – a thumbs up from the masses. The next day they completely ignored a meeting protesters had with Tea Party kingpin, John Boehner.  

 

Other ways the anti-corporate message is diminished is by lowballing. Many local news channels claimed NYC had only a 1,500-2,000 protesters, while non-corporate news sources gave figures of over 20,000.

 

Local coverage mimics national coverage in painting this movement in unpalatable terms, utilizing words like “chaotic,” “anarchistic” and having “no common purpose.” I don’t know where the news crew was, but in the protest I took part in all one had to do is glance at the sea of signs to notice that the message was getting corporations to pay their share of taxes and take responsibility for the environment.

 

Then there’s unabashed neglect. A FAIR report noted that during the initial protests, only CNN briefly mentioned it. On his TV show (9/21/11), Keith Olberman said: “So five days … protesting corporate control of the economy, and you haven't heard a word about it on the news?” He later remarked, "If that's a Tea Party protest in front of Wall Street ... it's the lead story on every network newscast."

 

Moral: Conservatives calling the media liberal is like Madoff calling his investors savvy. To get the whole story on the corporate social responsibility movement, supplement your news with independent news like AlterNet, truthout, OpEdNews, NPR or foreign news. Progressive non-corporate sources will also help you keep an eye on the Religious Right Wing and the Tea Partiers, or try People for the American Way and the Center for Inquiry. For info on how your senators voted with respect to secular values, see the Secular Coalition’s Secular Scorecard.

 

Keep on protestin’,

 

Emily Paine


 

References:

FAIR Activism Update: Some Breaks in the Blackout of Wall Street Protests

Whitewashing the Blackout of Occupy Wall Street

What if the Tea Party Occupied Wall Street? Corporate media skip anti-corporate protests

4 Polls That Show Occupy Wall Street is Just Getting Started

CNN's Factcheck Failure on Occupy Wall Street

 

Jerry Coyne won a debate against Catholic, you aren’t allowed to hear it.

Dr. Jerry Coyne is drawing lots of internet attention because of the events that transpired around his debate on October 12 at the University of Kentucky.  Coyne debated John Haught a Catholic from Georgetown University.  

What makes this event special?  Apparently both parties agreed to videotape the event well in advance of the event.  However after the event Dr. Coyne receives a correspondence from Dr. John Rabel (Coordinator of the debate) that John Haught didn't want the video to be released.  They agreed to release it before the event and therefore Rabel obviously couldn't honor this request.  Well Dr. John Rabel of the Gaines Center for Humanities agreed to not allow posting of the video because they didn't get permission from Haught in advance to post the video.  Someone correct me if my timeline is wrong.

Well what was that?  Previous videos in this series with John Haught have been posted, Dr. Coyne knows as he studied them to prepare for the event in which Haught apparently came off as unpolished.  Did Haught think this appearance was so bad it was worth censoring?  Why didn't he know there would be an annoying internet backlash?  Slews of e-mailers flooded Haught and Rabel with e-mail over the last few days with claims of cowardice. Legal action has been threatened against Dr. Jerry Coyne for antagonizing all of this.  

Of course Haught and Rabel are fully to blame.  Do atheists really come off to Christian leaders like they can just roll over us and we'll shut up?  Sorry Haught, we wont just go away.  We all want to see the arguments that you and Coyne made.  In fact, now we want to see it more.  Before we wouldn't have cared.  You drew our attention to it.  You drew our attention to it just like Kent Hovind did when he sent in false copyright claims against youtube atheists.  If you wanted it to be something that would just go away, something that you didn't become known for then it is you John Haught that should have slowly and quietly walked away and given Dr. Jerry Coyne his copy of the tape.

Kudos to you Dr. Jerry Coyne for not letting this issue die. Might I suggest everyone head over to Amazon and buy your excellent book "Why Evolution is True." 

If you decide to write Rabel or Haught please remember to be nice.

(Update: Now available! Debate between Jerry Coyne and John Haught on "Science and Religion: Are They Compatible?")

I’m more active, you love it, I’m glad.

It didn't go unnoticed that I am more active over the last few weeks.  I'm glad to have the time again, and I'm glad you told me you were happy to see me more active.  My better computer was out of commission for a little while... like 9 months. I was on a laptop with a wireless connection and very busy since March.  The better computer has been fixed and the main room I conduct business in, has been revised over the summer.  I was almost finished the room but then I fixed the computer and well... it'll probably be the spring before I work on the room again.  Now that I'm moving fast online again I can cover a lot more territory.  I'm right back in the swing of things.  My real job is somewhat seasonal and it'll be slow until March.  I'll get less hours.  Those hours will be spent here.

I'm extremely comfortable in the workspace I have now.  I think I was having a hard time getting comfortable in the RRS workspace by myself, I had to overhaul my workspace.  I was at an 8 foot by 8 foot desk with 3 computers by myself.  I kept the setup for a while thinking that I would bring new hosts into the fray and continue the show as it was, or that me and the other hosts would want to have a reunion.  I've moved on from that idea. During the summer I converted the room, stripped the wallpaper, sold the fish tank, brought the tv in, brought the couch in, cut the desk in half, ran new wiring, and new lighting.  I share the space with my son at my side, he uses the computer all the time.  We have a couch in front of the desk, and a big screen tv that can be seen from the whole room.   It's very easy to work the type of excessively ridiculous hours I like to work in this setup.  

I think my trials made me want to distance myself from people, at least in terms of activism.  I was let down by the people I cared for the most.  So it took some time to realize I wouldn't feel comfortable with new show hosts.  Only because I would feel the inevitable end in sight.  Maybe with time that will change.  I'm finding that I'm the only constant.  Even my very close friend Jake, who led me to atheism 13 years ago and taught the InfidelGuy, closed doors on atheistnetwork.com this past year.  I don't know why my drive to continue this fight outlasts everyone around me, but I'm realizing that almost always that is what happens.  I've made the 10 year club!  Although I can't give you an exact date.

My activism will continue at full force through the winter.  We hope to meet a deadline to upgrade to a new server in February, although preliminary fundraising efforts could use a kick. 

I purchased a new domain this week.  www.AtheismUnited.com 

The goal is to unilaterally support other atheist groups, to expand atheism awareness, and to make a political impact.  I am mentoring the man who will hopefully be the future President of 501c3 Atheism United Lance Sievert. Join his facebook group if you are an atheist organizer Atheism United Headquarters on facebook.

Please join the discussion on our site: Atheism United (Can you see it?)

Oh... and women... I gave up on women.  If you want me ladies, come find me, I'm too busy with my activism to notice that I should say something. 

 

 

OLD OFFICE SETUP:

NEW SETUP (almost same camera angle):

Different light level and a different view:

Debunking a proof for god

I received an email from Matt [last name removed to protect privacy] a few weeks ago, and it was an argument against god.  I think Matt answered his own questions in this one.  But he wanted to know what I had to say about him. I think you give it more credit than it deserves in your answer.  Frankly his argument is rather stupid.  

Sye Bruggencate can't prove that there are absolute morals, much of academia would argue against absolute truths.  Even if we accept absolute morals and truths, God certainly wouldn't logically follow.  What would logically follow is that "there are laws and absolutes."  

The argument is ridiculously stupid.  He is trying to look intelligent and only makes himself look like a fool or a liar.  Matt on the other hand comes off as intelligent and hitting the nail on the head.  His email is all that is needed on this subject.  Join the forum so you can explain things like this to the next theist that comes here. [edited] 

I really appreciate your kind words.  I applaud your efforts as well in debunking the irrational and ridiculous.  Keep it up! 

Here is the letter Matt sent me, please feel free to comment:

 

I follow some of the material published by the Rational Responders and I find you are a welcome addition to atheists in general, with sound reasoning and skepticism. I myself am a third generation atheist. To get to the point I came across Sye Bruggencate's Proof That God Exists website (proofthatgodexists.org) dictating that the Christian Worldview not only is the correct among religions, but is the only worldview to explain who we are and how we arrived. His proof (transcendental):

There are Absolute Truths

There are Laws of Logic

There are Laws of Mathematics

There are Laws of Science

There are Absolute Morals

The Mentioned Laws are Immaterial/Universal/Unchanging

[God Exists because this is only possible through God]

(The Proof: You Cannot Prove Anything Without God)

Maybe I am mistaken, but this is a weak argument for the Christian worldview. What it proves is man's ability to observe, reason abstractly, infer, and apply rationality. And to get purely technical about the "Laws of Nature" (Bruggencate assumes these laws to be absolute as the result of his loving and benevolent God), the "Law of Gravity" is not immaterial as he claims (space time curvature). Neither is mathematics as he claims. Mathematics exists within the mind of reasoning and intelligent organisms; nature does not need mathematics or its laws.

Within our brain and its structure the mind exists, ergo mathematics is not immaterial just as computer software is not immaterial (code --> binary --> logic gates --> semiconductors --> electrons). It is the result of the function of the brain, just as thought is. It is material. Bruggencate makes a philosopher's mistake by understanding abstract arugments, but trying to interject them into fields he may not understand (such as physics).

The strong and weak forces exists because of subatomic interaction, not the other way around. An argument for magic (absolutes in nature concieved by God) is presented, and I myself was not presuaded. Bruggencate's argument proves man's rationality, from observed phenomena to abtract thought and inference. Thusly, he proves man is godlike ( a reflection no doubt he ignores, much the same way athiests 'deny God'), not that there is an all powerful diety because only He can be absolute.

And, (if you are actually reading this and finding it wordy, I will make this brief) he tries to impose the Universal Morals argument. I would find it univerally amoral to molest children (an example he uses to stop you in your tracks if you do not believe moral absolutes exist) but that has not been then the case throughout history (ancient Sparta for instance).

If morals are not absloute thoughout human history, how am I to claim they will remain as they are today in the future? I cannot. I can only claim what I believe, and I am a product of present day societal conditions. Society thrives on a self-sustaining structure which promotes progress, causing morals to evolve as civilization does. Giving credit to the divine is illogical as history demonstrates.

Nature has morals. What are those? Survive, reproduce resist extinction. It is what we do every day. It is what life does every day.

In sum, I offer that theists have cause and causality reversed, thus attributing existence to the supernatural.

Well, thank you Sapient for your endeavors and hard work defending an athiestic perspective in life. I find it a noble pursuit to generate material that makes the superstitious think beyond justification. If you would care to comment on Sye Bruggencate's argument, I would like to know your thoughts.

Matt

 

Thank you very much Bob Spence

Bob Spence,

I could have done this in private, but I think everyone should know why you now have a different look to the site. I have made you a site admin giving you Zeus power.  Funny how we don't believe in gods yet both are "Zeus" on this website.  

I wanted to elevate your power so you could learn more about how it operates in hopes that you'll be able to expand your role here.  Hopefully you will be able to play an on call role for us when we upgrade and overhaul the site for the year 2012.  Please be careful with the elevated power, and we can talk in private more about how to figure it out.  I get that you probably wouldn't want the power, but please accept it, and help me out in the future.

I am so glad to have gotten to share webpages with you over the years.  You and I go way back.  I can't even remember the years.  It has been a pleasure working by your side on message boards and over the airwaves.    We've been through a lot together and through thick and thin you are right there to bring another cogent argument for science and rationality.  You are a gentleman and a scholar.  You are calm, patient, rational, sane, loyal, and brilliant...  thanks for being here.

 

In Rationality,

Brian Sapient

 

P.S. Brian37... feel free to continue the love...

Atheism and Naturalism and Vanilla Marriage

Two new books got added to the Amazon books on the side of some pages of the site.  

 

 

 

 

Nick Covington posts here under the name Switch89 and he has a great blog at Aigbusted http://aigbusted.blogspot.com  

Rich Woods is a long time friend of RRS, he is a speaker, author, and internet show host.

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Prayers to Jake website has died…

It is with great sadness that I announce the death of a website that is near and dear to my heart.  Sadly PrayersToJake.com is now owned by an asian outlet with the interest of capitalizing on the power of the domain name.  Jake lost focus for a minute there and it got stolen.  You may already know that Jake has been taking some time away from kicking ass on the internet.  He put atheistnetwork.com to sleep a few months back.  

His site atheistnetwork.com is where I became an atheist primarily because of his line of questioning.  His site will always be important to me, and thankfully he hasn't lost that domain.  His knowledge, time, effort, and level headed approach has changed me immeasurably.  The clarity and patience that he had while volunteering for him in my first few years of activism is something I'll remember forever.  He is like no other man I know, and at times the many people who knew him on his message board would consider him worthy of prayer.  

A legend grew that he was godly.  People started praying to Jake, I'm sure there was an early thread call "Pray to Jake" and people did in fact do so.  I promise you, atheists literally prayed to Jake.  People reported their findings and prayers were in fact answered.  I had several instances where I was spooked by how helpful Jake was in answering my prayers.  Jake bought the domain and I slapped a website on it to bring more people into the prayers to Jake club.  

On this site, I've referred to prayerstojake.com many times.  I'll miss it.  But I won't miss praying to Jake.  From time to time I will allow myself to pretend.  I will allow myself to pray to a man that has helped make me who I am.  It might have a calming effect for me.  And when my prayer is answered, I'll allow myself to pretend that maybe Jake answered my prayer, even while knowing that he didn't. 

 

May all your prayers to Jake be answered.

 

 

 


Jake has youtube videos addressing religion here: http://www.youtube.com/user/chronicbudha

Atheistnetwork.com formed a small group of ex atheist network people at: http://www.atheistnetwork2.com I however consider RRS forums home to all atheist network folks.

 

Compliment others

I’ve learned a random life tip that has helped me a bit last month. My father in fact sent me an e-mail explaining his epiphany. He said that he had just learned that if you compliment someone when meeting them, they are more likely to like you. We both realize that the compliment should be genuine. 

Since he has given me the advice I have had many opportunities to utilize the tip. Using it at first felt a little foreign to me. That personality trait wouldn’t typically come up in my line of work as I would have typically felt the need to maintain a more professional and business oriented relationship with the people I deal with.    I have complimented around a dozen people in the last month and have had positive relationships each time. I had someone compliment me on Sunday and I could feel the effects of the compliment drug instantly. I’ll wait for a scientist to post an endorphin related explanation. I went from being cautious in a time interaction with someone to liking them in a matter of moments.   

The point? Complimenting people when you first meet them sounds like a good idea, if you mean it. It might not be in your personality type, but maybe it should be. If we all embraced these more positive qualities of humanity, and extend it to acts of service and goodwill we are more likely to have a positive future. 

It goes without saying that I have some readers on this site that embrace these ideas already.  

 

9-11 Never Forget

I will never forget that religion caused 9-11.

I will never forget the mentally incompetent people who thought a cross was formed in the rubble.

I will never forget the clueless people who stated "God Bless America" after Allah apparently put Jesus in a choke hold.

I will never forget the Christian President who thought he was on a mission from God, and that he is responsible for over 200,000 deaths.  I will never forget he was well liked by other Christian folks.

I will never forget 9-11 as a day that shows just how much religion must be gone.

I will never forget that 9-11 was a day that made religious people more religious, and just how brainwashed those people must be to come to that conclusion.

I will never forget that 9-11 marks a day in which I recognized how much a good human must speak up against religion for the good of society.

I’m not a Godsend

 I had to go to the post office this morning to pick up a package.  It was a replacement golf shaft and it came in a tall narrow box the size you'd expect of a golf club.  As I was walking out of the post office an older lady saw me and asked "where did you get that box?"  I said "I just picked this item up, the box was mailed to me."  She said "Oh, because I've been looking for a box like that for a while.  I have a very large poster that I need to send and I can't find a box to mail it in."  I had wanted to keep this box as I need to send my old shaft back to the company that mailed me the new one, however I have access to this type of box, I can get one for free whenever I want.  It took me a second to react and as she was walking away I called her back.

I said "hold on a second."  I opened the package and put the shaft in my trunk, and I handed her the box.  She said "oh thank you so much, aren't you just a Godsend."  I said "I don't believe I am, I don't believe in God and I do good deeds on my own volition, because if we all do good deeds for each other I will receive good deeds back from others.  I'm glad I was able to help you."  She smiled and walked away.  

It was a good start to the day.

 

Logidea University makes a video with some of my accomplishments…

 Thanks very much to Logidea University for the nice video about my work, I appreciate it:

 

 

Read my acceptance of the PhD in Heresy here.  (you can get one for yourself)

 

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My comment to Pastor Bill Randles about Blasphemy Challenge

I just posted a comment in response to a blog post that discussed new atheists and the Blasphemy Challenge. (I still encourage creating Blasphemy Challenge videos)

 

Here is what I had to say...

Quote:

We are not assaulting children and the naive.  We are trying to help them escape their fear.  You would have people believe there is an eternal torture that awaits them if they don't believe and think certain things.  Those things are not proven or provable in any meaningful sense... yet millions believe due in large part to fear.  You may not think much of the fear of hell today, but as a child it is essential to the brainwashing of almost all Christians.  

 

So sir, for you to use language claiming it is atheists who are "assaulting" others, is highly ironic considering you are using more fear tactics to scare someone back into faith.  We are doing this for you, or anyone who was brainwashed by religion... not because we're into Satan or assaulting people.  Watch some Blasphemy Challenge videos and you'll see just what kind of people took the challenge, the point was to show off how normal atheists are, we're not a group of devil worshipping baby eating child assaulters as you and your ilk would like to scare Christians into thinking.

 

In Reason,

 

Brian Sapient

www.RationalResponders.com

 

I was responding primarily to this portion of his post:

Quote:

Shocking, isn’t it? I am showing you this not to shock you but to alert you to the reality of the assault upon your children and the naive.

 

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The point is that this movement is spiritual in its essence. This is  Satanic,it is an assault on the faith by the Father of lies, designed to blaspheme God and to damn souls. They have free rein on our campuses and places of higher learning. Unfortunately a good many young people are seeing these New Atheists as rock stars, they are emulating them mimicking their arguments, and renouncing their faith.

 

Here is the original post by Pastor Bill Randles.

 

I received an Honorary PhD in Heresy!

Thanks to www.doctorofdisbelief.com for awarding me an Honorary PhD in Heresy.  I am fueled today by the excellent write up that went along with the award.  Check it out at the site here.

Here's a snippet...

 

 

Brian Sapient is a self-described:

"Pacifist agnostic atheist non-cognitivist freethinking darwin loving scientific treehugger who loves Philly Sports. Proudly led thousands away from religion!"

Mr. Sapient is perhaps responsible for more motivated activist atheists than almost any other single individual in America.

Who among us can forget watching Brian and Kelly O'Connor prove that Ray "the Way of the Master" Comfort was just another ill-informed religious banana-peeling huckster on national broadcast TV? That was a first, and remains a classic. The religious sat up and took notice. Times had changed. Atheists were now well prepared, well spoken and well received by a previously hidden segment of society. 

This single action gave voice and hope to countless atheists that the time for change had arrived. We could be public, proud and assert our rights.

Read the entire blog here.