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I don&#8217;t know what we&#8217;ve done to the Gods to be cursed with this Squinty troll &#8211; maybe it&#8217;s because we let gays drive.  Lord knows, but regardless &#8211; he is sort of talking about a real-ish thing.
from Front Page Magazine, here&#8217;s what Pat Robertson is talking about in more detail:
By 1780 the French colony <img
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src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/mPyyXQN8cG0/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p><p>I don&#8217;t know what we&#8217;ve done to the Gods to be cursed with this Squinty troll &#8211; maybe it&#8217;s because we let gays drive.  Lord knows, but regardless &#8211; he is sort of talking about a real-ish thing.</p><p><a
href="http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=14079">from Front Page Magazine, here&#8217;s what Pat Robertson is talking about in more detail</a>:</p><blockquote><p>By 1780 the French colony of Haiti with its rich crops of cocoa, sugar cane, cotton and coffee, had become one of the wealthiest places on Earth.  This wealth derived from the labor of <a
href="http://www.ywam-haiti.org/features/2004.asp">500,000 slaves</a> exploited and held down by only 26,000 white French plantation settlers and 30,000 <em>affranchis</em> of mixed ancestry. This disparity of power and numbers would soon end in a bloodbath.</p><p>Some of these slaves escaped to the mountains and created their own community. One was a legendary figure named <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutty_Boukman">[Dutty] Boukman</a>, almost certainly an African, certainly a <em>houngan </em>(“witch doctor”) of enormous size, strength and charisma.</p><p>In Haiti’s capital Port-au-Prince today you can see an iron pig statue. It commemorates the ritual of the African religion Americans today call <a
href="http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m1134/10_107/53378968/print.jhtml">Voodoo</a> conducted by Boukman on August 14, 1791.</p><p><strong> A pig on that day was ritually killed. The escaped slaves joined in drinking its still-warm blood as part of a pact. Boukman led his followers in vowing that they and their children would serve the pagan gods of the island, including the devil, for exactly 200 years in exchange for freedom from the French.</strong></p><p>Seven days later the slaves of Haiti rose in rebellion, soaking Haiti in the blood of the French overseers and plantation owners who had enslaved them.</p></blockquote><p>The supposed pact was made by 200 delegates at the Bois Caiman meeting in the Morne Rouge region of Haiti  (NB the Morne Rouge region was home to a Muslim community at that time).  At this meeting (on August 21st or 14th depending on the source) a pig was sacrificed and a prayer was uttered.  <a
href="http://thelouvertureproject.org/index.php?title=Boukman">Called Boukman&#8217;s Prayer it reads</a>:</p><blockquote><p>The god who created the earth; who created the sun that gives us light.The god who holds up the ocean; who makes the thunder roar. Our God who has ears to hear. You who are hidden in the clouds; who watch us from where you are. You see all that the white has made us suffer. The white man&#8217;s god asks him to commit crimes. But the god within us wants to do good. Our god, who is so good, so just, He orders us to revenge our wrongs. It&#8217;s He who will direct our arms and bring us the victory. It&#8217;s He who will assist us. We all should throw away the image of the white men&#8217;s god who is so pitiless. Listen to the voice for liberty that sings in all our hearts.</p></blockquote><p>Read it as a Christian and you can see where Pat Robertson&#8217;s coming from.  Read it objectively though and there&#8217;s no devil to be found in it just a different God.</p><p>As for drinking pig&#8217;s blood?  That may be true.  It doesn&#8217;t seem likely as the tradition doesn&#8217;t exist in any of the African cultures from which Haitian voodoo is derived and again this was a Muslim influenced region, but it is true that at the time drinking blood was done as a way of signifying a pact.  You can read about that in detail <a
href="http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=4&amp;ved=0CBYQFjAD&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yorku.ca%2Fnhp%2Fseminars%2Fseminars%2Flaw.rtf&amp;ei=KIROS9K4GYP4sQOtk9yLCA&amp;usg=AFQjCNErJn6eMYUlH7N8BfVllp015mKcrg&amp;sig2=jEo7mlKt3hTl5VPIWSr8kw">here</a>.</p><p>Finally the pig statue &#8211; looking in English and in French I couldn&#8217;t find a single citation of it (outside of Christian screeds like that above) let alone a picture.  The closest thing I found was <a
href="http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:tJmV1YJnleoJ:annpale.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2088%26view%3Dprevious%26sid%3D1e6954c7b1cd232215d8625579a0a95c+http://www.worldevangelicals.org/persec_haiti_26aug03.html&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=ca&amp;client=firefox-a">a message board posting</a> which said that a) it was a gift to Haiti from the Italian Embassy, and b) it was located in La Place de L&#8217;Italie au Bicentenaire in Port au Prince before it was stolen.  Granted no Place de L&#8217;Italie au Bicentenaire shows up on any map of Port au Prince, so there you go.</p><p>So all things considered &#8211; was Pat Robertson talking out of his ass?  Yeah mostly, but what do you expect?</p> <br
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isPermaLink="false">http://rjjago.wordpress.com/?p=4051</guid> <description><![CDATA[1. The worldwide Atheist bus ads. Across the globe, local atheist groups slapped ads up on the sides of buses to get their message across.  Here in Vancouver, in what is maybe the most atheistic city on the continent, the ads weren&#8217;t allowed.  In fact in dozens of cities around the world the ads weren&#8217;t [...]<img
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class="wp-caption-text">Richard Dawkins with an &#39;atheist bus&#39; in London</p></div><p>Across the globe, local atheist groups slapped ads up on the sides of buses to get their message across.  <a
href="http://www.canadianchristianity.com/bc/bccn/0309/01translink.html">Here in Vancouver</a>, in what is maybe the most atheistic city on the continent, the ads weren&#8217;t allowed.  In fact in dozens of cities around the world the ads weren&#8217;t posted &#8211; <a
href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jan/09012009.html">in many cases because of reactions from the &#8220;faithful&#8221;</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Recently a Christian bus driver from Southampton refused to drive a bus that displayed the ad, saying he was shocked and horrified when he saw the slogan, and walked out of his shift in protest.</p><p>&#8220;I was just about to board and there it was staring me in the face, my first reaction was shock, horror,&#8221; driver Ron Heather told BBC radio.  &#8220;I felt that I could not drive that bus. I think it was the starkness of this advert which implied there was no God. I told my managers and they said they haven&#8217;t got another one and I thought I better go home, so I did,&#8221; he said.</p><p>An AFP report said that following the appearance of the ads on 800 buses across Britain and in London&#8217;s subway system, &#8220;angry Christians have protested to Britain&#8217;s advertising watchdog &#8211; the Advertising Standards Agency &#8211; asking for proof that the slogans are telling the truth.&#8221;  A Daily Telegraph report said that the Advertising Standards Agency is considering whether to investigate the campaign on the grounds that it is offensive or that its central claim about God&#8217;s existence cannot be substantiated.</p><p>In northern Italy, a more blatantly antagonistic slogan &#8211; &#8220;The bad news is that God does not exist. The good news is that we do not need him.&#8221; &#8211; has been rejected by a billboard agency, the IGP Decaux advertising group. The ad campaign was condemned by the Roman Catholic archdiocese of Genoa, whose Archbishop Angelo Bagnasco is president of the Italian Bishops Conference.</p></blockquote><p><strong>2. Obama&#8217;s &#8216;shout out&#8217; to atheists in the Inaugural.</strong></p><p><span
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href="http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/obamas-inauguration/">From the NYTimes</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Most startling, in his inaugural address he described America as “a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus – and non-believers.” That’s the first time I can recall an American president ever saying anything inclusive about atheists (who constitute about 8 percent of Americans, are fast-growing and much reviled; Americans say in polls that they are willing to elect almost anyone president but an atheist).</p></blockquote><p>I think the most startling thing was that he was able to include atheists into the mix without anyone really caring.  Outside of 30 seconds on Fox News and a few dozen bitchy comments in the blogosphere, he was able to do this with virtually no criticism.</p><p><strong>3.</strong> <strong>The March 29th vote in the French colony of Mayotte to become France&#8217;s 101st Department.</strong></p><p>Why is it significant?  <a
href="http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2009/03/29/mayotte-vote-en-faveur-de-la-departementalisation_1174015_823448.html#ens_id=1173404">From leMonde</a>:</p><blockquote><p>La départementalisation de l&#8217;île devrait également entraîner des modifications culturelles importantes pour les 186 000 Mahorais &#8211; musulmans à plus de 95% &#8211; comme la suppression définitive de la polygamie, l&#8217;élévation de l&#8217;âge légal pour le mariage de 15 à 18 ans ou la diminution des attributions des juges musulmans.</p></blockquote><p>By joining France, they automatically become a full member of the European Union &#8211; possibly the first Muslim majority territory to do so and what&#8217;s more they become subject to French secular law.  Until now the islands have had an informal Sharia law, and Muslim Imams had wide sway over legal affairs  Thanks to the vote, those things are gone.  The people of Mayotte knew that going into the vote &#8211; there was significant opposition from Imams, but still &#8211; they voted 95.22% in favour.  While this isn&#8217;t specifically an atheist triumph, it <em>is</em> a secular one &#8211; it&#8217;s the rollback of religious law in a far-away corner of Africa.</p><p><strong>4. Darwin Day. </strong></p><p><a
href="http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/02/darwin_day.html">Darwin Day &#8211; the 200th anniversary of his birth</a> &#8211; became a rallying point for atheists this year.  Atheists were able to meet at any one of 800 celebrations in 46 countries.  The people behind the festivities are the who&#8217;s who of the Atheist high clergy (the Centre for Inquiry, American Humanists et al<a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Day#History">*</a>).  Here the Freedom From Religion Foundation (another of the organizers) explains why they believed that <a
href="http://ffrf.org/news/2009/darwin_dover.php">Darwin Day was important</a>:</p><blockquote><p>&#8230; &#8220;2009 from beginning to end [is] truly the Year of Darwin,&#8221; says Foundation co-president Annie Laurie Gaylor.</p><p>&#8220;And,&#8221; adds Foundation co-president Dan Barker, &#8220;the anniversaries make 2009 a blockbuster year for promoting science.&#8221; Barker left his fundamentalist ministry more than 20 year ago and is author of <em>Godless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America&#8217;s Leading Atheists.</em></p><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s an intellectual blot on our country that more than 50% of Americans reject evolution,&#8221; said Gaylor. &#8220;The Darwin bicentennial is a chance to celebrate reality, to move our nation forward, to &#8216;evolve beyond belief&#8217; and return to the Enlightenment.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>5. The Irish Blasphemy law</strong></p><p>You can&#8217;t win everything.  Atheism did pretty well around the world this year, <a
href="http://www.nationalpost.com/story-printer.html?id=1923067">but there were some set backs</a>.</p><blockquote><p>The Irish government plans to bring into force a new law in October that critics say is a return to medieval justice.</p><p>The legislation, aimed at providing judges with clear direction on the 1937 Constitution&#8217;s blasphemy prohibition, imposes a fine of up to $25,000 &#8212; about $39,000 &#8212; for anyone who &#8220;publishes or utters matter that is (intentionally meant to be) grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion.&#8221;</p><p>Police with a search warrant will be able to enter private premises and use &#8220;reasonable force&#8221; to obtain incriminating evidence.</p></blockquote><p>Atheists are naturally challenging this law, and hopefully next year this can be moved over to the &#8216;win&#8217; column.</p><p><strong>6. Berlin&#8217;s religious education referendum fails.</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><div
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class="wp-caption-text">A &#39;no&#39; poster for the Berlin ethics course referendum.</p></div><p><strong> </strong>Berlin is called &#8211; I don&#8217;t know by whom &#8211; &#8220;the capital of atheism&#8221;.  So it was a shock a few years ago when the city had its first Muslim honour killing.  Part of the reaction to that was to introduce mandatory ethics classes to teach all children about what is expected of them by society.  Because these classes were mandatory and covered many of the same topics as the <em>elective</em> religion classes, enrollment in what the Germans call &#8216;Reli&#8217; classes plummeted.</p><p>Naturally Christians couldn&#8217;t have that, so they pushed through a referendum which, if passed, would have made students choose between a mandatory ethics class or a mandatory religion class.  Those religion classes would be divided by faith, with Muslims, Catholics and Protestants <a
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/26/berlin-germany-religious-education-ethics">each attending separate classes</a>.</p><blockquote><p>&#8220;What&#8217;s so awful about an ethics lesson in which everyone takes part?&#8221; asked Michael Müller, regional head of the Social Democrats. &#8220;Isn&#8217;t it a good thing that I learn something about my neighbour&#8217;s religion, his family and cultural background?&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><a
href="http://reasonweekly.com/churchstate/berlin-religion-referendum-fails-religion-classes-not-allowed-to-substitute-for-ethics-in-public-schools">It was close</a>, but thanks to apathy, the vote lost on two counts: first, they lost in total numbers, and second they didn&#8217;t get a sufficient turnout to make the referendum binding.</p><p><strong>7. Renewed popularity of Ayn Rand.</strong></p><p><a
href="http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2009/1211/Ayn-Rand-and-America-s-new-culture-war">Her book sales are sky-rocketing, her name is on everyone&#8217;s lips </a>- but what people never seem to remember about Ayn Rand is her relentless and militant atheism.  It&#8217;s her best feature.  <a
href="http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=faq_index#obj_q6">Here she is discussing it with Playboy</a>:</p><blockquote><dl><dt><cite>Playboy</cite>:</dt><dd>Has no religion, in your estimation, ever offered anything of constructive value to human life?</dd><dd></dd><dd></dd><dt>Rand:</dt><dd>Qua religion, no—in the sense of blind belief, belief unsupported by, or contrary to, the facts of reality and the conclusions of reason. Faith, as such, is extremely detrimental to human life: it is the negation of reason. But you must remember that religion is an early form of philosophy, that the first attempts to explain the universe, to give a coherent frame of reference to man’s life and a code of moral values, were made by religion, before men graduated or developed enough to have philosophy.</dd></dl></blockquote><p>This year more than a million copies of her atheistic books made it into the hands of Americans.  Hopefully countering the false perception that atheism is only for left-wingers.</p><p><strong>8. An atheistic civil society</strong></p><p>Here we&#8217;re talking about <a
href="http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/01/richard-dawkins-help.html">Dawkins&#8217; atheist summer camps</a>, about the boom in <a
href="http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/22/general-us-rel-atheism-on-campus_7148436.html">atheist student groups on campuses,</a> about the great attendance at Darwin Day, even about <a
href="http://outcampaign.org/">the Out Campaign</a> &#8211; what&#8217;s happening is that the world is seeing the birth of an atheistic civil society.  It&#8217;s obviously a long way from being able to offer the sense of community that people find in the churches, but it&#8217;s a necessary step forward.</p><p><strong>9. Science shows religion to be hard-wired. </strong></p><p>This year treated us to a spate of articles about how <a
href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/richard-alleyne/6146411/Humans-evolved-to-believe-in-God.html">humans evolved to believe in God</a>, or how <a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/weekinreview/12wade.html?_r=1&amp;scp=1&amp;sq=god%20gene&amp;st=cse">there could even be a God gene</a>:</p><blockquote><p>&#8230; research is pointing to a new perspective on religion, one that seeks to explain why religious behavior has occurred in societies at every stage of development and in every region of the world. Religion has the hallmarks of an evolved behavior, meaning that it exists because it was favored by natural selection. It is universal because it was wired into our neural circuitry before the ancestral human population dispersed from its African homeland.  For <a
title="More articles about atheism." href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/a/atheism/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier">atheists</a>, it is not a particularly welcome thought that religion evolved because it conferred essential benefits on early human societies and their successors. If religion is a lifebelt, it is hard to portray it as useless.</p></blockquote><p>This is a double-edged sword.  On the one hand it makes it sound like religion will be harder to eradicate &#8211; on the other hand, does this mean we atheists are more evolved?  Or on a weirder and more menacing note, does this mean that &#8211; as one newspaper reported &#8211; &#8220;<a
href="http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-02-22-science-is-just-one-gene-away-from-defeating-religion">science is just one gene away from defeating religion</a>&#8220;?</p><p><strong>10. The rise of debaptisms</strong>.</p><p><span
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src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/WDCiqaqyJjk/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p><p>It&#8217;s silly.  But it&#8217;s a real thing, a coming out for many people who were forced into the church at a young age.  At the time the above report was done, 60,000 people had downloaded debaptism certificates.  As the year wore on, de-baptisms spread.  When they reached the USA, <a
href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-07-21-atheists-debaptism_N.htm">they even became more elaborate</a>:</p><blockquote><p>In a type of mock ceremony that&#8217;s now been performed in at least four states, a robed &#8220;priest&#8221; used a hairdryer marked &#8220;reason&#8221; in an apparent bid to blow away the waters of baptism once and for all. Several dozen participants then fed on a &#8220;de-sacrament&#8221; (crackers with peanut butter) and received certificates assuring they had &#8220;freely renounced a previous mistake, and accepted Reason over Superstition.&#8221;</p><p>For Gray, the lighthearted spirit of last summer&#8217;s Atheist Coming Out Party and De-Baptism Bash in suburban Westerville, Ohio, served a higher purpose than merely spoofing a Christian rite.</p><p>&#8220;It was very therapeutic,&#8221; Gray said in an interview. &#8220;It was a chance to laugh at the silly things I used to believe as a child. It helped me admit that it was OK to think the way I think and to not have any religious beliefs.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>I like how this is considered to be the &#8216;mock&#8217; ceremony, while dipping babies in magic water is still robed in mystery and awe.</p><p><strong>If you have any atheist stories I missed, please let me know in the comments.<br
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href="http://www.doublex.com/section/life/why-do-more-women-men-still-believe-god">I do enjoy how offensive it is</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>Last week, a new study confirmed something essential about women, something that refuses to budge, even though many say it’s long past time. Professors at Trinity College in Connecticut analyzed the numbers of Americans unaffiliated to any religion. While the number of male nonbelievers was rocketing, the overall totals were slowed by women hitching themselves to the anchor of faith: “Gender difference is a brake on the growth of the No Religion population,” says the study, which found that 19 percent of men were no longer denizens of a religious America, while only 12 percent of women live outside the faithful fold. In the past, one could say that women tended the hearth, and men participated in the marketplace. But today?</em></p><p><em>&#8230; It&#8217;s hard not to compare women sticking with faith to wives confined to bad marriages: They’re so committed to the institution that they&#8217;ll willingly shrink under mistreatment just to maintain their own status quo.</em></p></blockquote> <br
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href="http://www.secularism.org.uk/church-of-england-changes-its-mi.html">and now the church is obliging</a>:</p><blockquote><p
class="text">The Diocese of Croydon is where John Hunt went to demand that his name be removed from the baptismal records. The Archdeacon told him that if he got a suitable form of words from the National Secular Society and put it as an advertisement in the <em>London Gazette</em>, they would make the necessary annotation in the baptismal records. They wouldn’t remove his name entirely, they said, arguing that it was the record of an historical event and therefore could not be changed.</p><p
class="text">John Hunt duly put the advertisement in the <em>London Gazette</em>, sent a copy to the diocese and waited for confirmation that his record had been amended to show that he was no longer connected with a Church of which he heartily disapproved.</p><p
class="text">That confirmation didn’t come until the NSS went public with his story. Now Mr Hunt has received a communication from the Diocese of Croydon — where the original sprinkling was done — reading:<br
/> <em><br
/> “I have spoken to the Archdeacon of Croydon and he has undertaken, in this particular case, to have it cross referenced with the baptismal entry and pasted into the back fly-leaf of the relevant register at St. Jude’s Church.”<br
/> </em><br
/> So now John Hunt is the first person in Britain to be officially debaptised by the Church of England. But the “in this particular case” rider in the Church message seems to suggest that he might also be the last.</p></blockquote><p
class="text">And it&#8217;s not just in Britain &#8211; it&#8217;s spread world wide, including to here in Canada:</p><blockquote><p
class="text">The movement to leave the Catholic Church is spreading also to Canada, where last week 26 people wrote to the Quebec newspaper <em>Le Devoir</em> saying that they were applying to be taken off baptismal registers because of their disgust at the Church’s recent outrages. They were particularly horrified at the reaction of the Church to the case of the 9-year old Brazilian child who was given an abortion after being raped by her stepfather. Everyone involved in that act of compassion was excommunicated by the Church. The Pope’s recent remarks on condoms in Africa were also cited as a reason to leave the Church.</p><p
class="text">In the Quebec City region, the diocese reported 50 requests for apostasy in the past month; usually it receives about 20 such requests in an entire year.</p><p
class="text">The protestors acknowledge that these numbers are a drop in the ocean but hope that the movement will spread and become significant. Sylvie Drouin, one of the signatories to the letter to <em>Le Devoir</em>, said it is time for Quebecers to question their almost automatic identification as Catholics. “Religion in Quebec is cultural. We are Catholic by culture,” she said. “The Catholic religion has led our society. We don&#8217;t question it. It&#8217;s like having white skin.”</p><p>She said: “We are not trying to turn the planet upside down, just to say loud and clear what we think,” she said. “[The Church] does not respond to our aspirations at all, and what&#8217;s more it is embarrassing. Currently we are ashamed to be part of that.</p></blockquote><p>You can read more on the Quebec apostates in <a
href="http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=1453837">the National Post here</a>.</p> <br
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style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a
href="http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/an-evening-with-tariq-ramadan/"><img
src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/QXNWxKrMpV0/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p><p>One thing I want to pull out of there though.  In the video, he brings up an article in Newsweek&#8217;s &#8220;On Faith&#8221; website, by the Egyptian Grand Mufti Ali Goma&#8217;a.  Ramadan says that the Mufti unequivocally condemned the death penalty for apostasy.  Ramadan went on to explain that the death penalty was only originally imposed on army deserters &#8211; people who converted to Islam to steal military secrets from the Muslims &#8211; then repented and went over to the enemy.  It was really a punishment for high treason.</p><p>Makes sense, no?</p><p><a
href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/muslims_speak_out/2007/07/sheikh_ali_gomah.html#more">Here&#8217;s what Ali Goma&#8217;a actually said</a>:</p><blockquote><p>All religions have doctrinal points that define what it is to be an adherent of that religion. These are divine injunctions that form the basis of every religion, but they are not a means for imposing a certain system of belief on others by force. According to Islam, it is not permitted for Muslims to reject their faith, so if a Muslim were to leave Islam and adopt another religion, they would thereby be committing a sin in the eyes of Islam. Religious belief and practice is a personal matter, and society only intervenes when that personal matter becomes public and threatens the well-being of its members.</p><p>In some cases, this sin of the individual may also represent a greater break with the commonly held values of a society in an attempt to undermine its foundations or even attack its citizenry. Depending on the circumstances, this may reach the level of a crime of sedition against one’s society. Penalizing this sedition may be at odds with some conceptions of freedom that would go so far as to ensure people the freedom to destroy the society in which they live. This is a freedom that we do not allow since preservation of the society takes precedence over personal freedoms.</p></blockquote><p>That&#8217;s not quite as progressive sounding to a Western audience &#8211; and maybe good that he didn&#8217;t explain the context, lest he lose the crowd.</p><p>Sedition, and undermining society are more broadly defined in Egypt than in a place like, say, Iowa or France.  A recent example &#8211; <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Amer">Egyptian blogger Kareem Amer</a>:</p><blockquote><p>On November 6, 2006, Amer was again arrested by Egyptian state security officers for posts on his blog that were considered by authorities to be of an irreligious nature &#8230; During the hearing, a lawyer in the court room introduced himself as Mohamed Dawoud, and immediately submitted a claim against Kareem for his &#8220;incitement to hatred of Islam&#8221;. The new claim was added as a new case that Kareem will be held accountable for, even if he were to be acquitted from all the current charges made against him.</p><p>The trial was adjourned to February 1, 2007.   Prosecution arguments in the February 1, 2007 session were given by a team of Islamist lawyers who volunteered to serve as the &#8216;representatives of the people,&#8217; an arrangement allowed under Egyptian law. The government&#8217;s state prosecutors, who drew up the legal case against Nabil, were not present.</p><p>In a heated exchange during the court session, prosecution lawyers accused Kareem of being an &#8216;apostate&#8217; and called on judge Ayman al-Akazi to hand Kareem the maximum punishment. As a result, a heated exchange occurred between the prosecution and defence until the judge demanded order.</p><p>Kareem defended himself by saying:</p><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t see what I have done,&#8221; he said from the defendant’s cage. &#8220;I expressed my opinion&#8230;the intention was not anything like these [charges].&#8221;</p><p>Defence lawyers argued that crimes related to the Internet were new in Egypt and that the penal code did not cover them.</p><p>Prosecution lawyer Mohamed Dawoud told The Associated Press:</p><p>&#8220;I want him [Nabil] to get the toughest punishment,&#8221; Dawoud told . &#8220;I am on a jihad here &#8230; If we leave the likes of him without punishment, it will be like a fire that consumes everything.&#8221;</p><p>The trial was adjourned to February 22, 2007 where the judge said Nabil was guilty and would serve three years for insulting Islam and inciting sedition, and one year for insulting Mr Mubarak.</p></blockquote><p>To go from gallows to the gulag is certainly better than nothing &#8211; but it&#8217;s disingenuous to say that&#8217;s progress in any western sense of the word.</p><p>I&#8217;m not going to tell you what to think, but I&#8217;d recomment looking at the rest of his speech &#8211; at the parables he used to illustrate his Islamic environmentalism, his Islamic economics, his Islamic &#8220;science&#8221;.  I suspect that behind each of those as well, you will find something equally ugly and anti-modern.</p><p>FYI: There&#8217;s a lot of background to this that you need to read about to see exactly what I&#8217;m getting at &#8211; if you do want to do that, I&#8217;d recommend starting <a
href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ddfba540-fd9d-11da-9b2d-0000779e2340.html?nclick_check=1">here</a>.</p><p><strong>FYI 2: TP from the Covenant Zone blog was also at the lecture.  He has a post up with <a
href="http://covenantzone.blogspot.com/2009/02/tariq-ramadan-casts-his-spell-on.html">a more considered take on the lecture here</a>.</strong></p> <br
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isPermaLink="false">http://rjjago.wordpress.com/?p=3439</guid> <description><![CDATA[[Please see: 'An evening with Tariq Ramadan', posted after the event.] Tariq Ramadan will be speaking at SFU&#8217;s downtown campus on Granville Street tonight (Monday) at 7pm.  I think I have a reservation for this. I booked on-line, but never got a confirmation.   Here&#8217;s how SFU presents Ramadan: Swiss Muslim intellectual and renowned Islamic reformer, [...]<img
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href="http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/an-evening-with-tariq-ramadan/">An evening with Tariq Ramadan</a>', posted after the event.]</p><p>Tariq Ramadan will be speaking at SFU&#8217;s downtown campus on Granville Street tonight (Monday) at 7pm.  I think I have a reservation for this. I booked on-line, but never got a confirmation.   <a
href="http://www.sfu.ca/sfunews/news/story_02050919.shtml">Here&#8217;s how SFU presents Ramadan</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Swiss Muslim intellectual and renowned Islamic reformer, Tariq Ramadan, will outline his views Feb. 23 during a lecture at SFU’s Vancouver campus entitled <em>The Scope and Limits of Reforming Islam</em>.  Ramadan, who teaches Islamic studies at Oxford, is a leading advocate for a revitalized Islam in the West. His recent book, <em>Radical Reform: Islamic Ethics and Liberation</em>, proposes an approach that integrates both spiritual and ethical objectives for contemporary Muslims, enabling them to more fully participate in the civic life of secular western countries.</p></blockquote><p>SFU goes on to mention that he&#8217;s a little controversial. <a
href="http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/46562,opinion,the-big-book-tariq-ramadan-the-liberalsrsquo-favourite-muslim"> And here&#8217;s why</a>:</p><blockquote><p>The grandson of Hassan al Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, Ramadan is a senior research fellow at St Anthony’s College, Oxford, and president of the think tank European Muslim Network.</p><p>As such, he is often spoken of as a leading Muslim intellectual, a reformist who is able to move between the academic circuit, the clerical establishment (he&#8217;s been an ardent defender of the reactionary Sunni scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi) and the wider Muslim population with equal felicity.</p><p>But so far the size of his reputation comfortably outstrips the strength of his ideas. There are plenty of people who know who Ramadan is, but far fewer who know what he actually stands for.</p><p>And of those that do think they know, some believe that Ramadan tailors his message to different audiences &#8211; secular and Muslim &#8211; to such an extent that it amounts to deception.</p><p>n one case he argues for a modernised Islam, in the other for an Islamised modernity.</p></blockquote><p>So, if my reservation is sorted, then I&#8217;ll be going and putting up a post later tonight.  If my reservation is not sorted, I&#8217;ll be whining about SFU later tonight as well.  If you&#8217;re in the city, try and crash it &#8211; it&#8217;ll be entertaining.</p> <br
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href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver#Religion">the most atheist city</a> in the Americas.  What the hell is the point of being a majority if we can&#8217;t shove our beliefs in people&#8217;s faces?</p><p><a
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class="subtitle">Ad Declined Pursuant to Advertising Policy</span></p><p>The BC Humanist Association has submitted creative material and an advertising order to have the material displayed on Metro Vancouver’s public transit system to Lamar Advertising, the company that markets transit advertising space for TransLink.</p><p>TransLink has reviewed this material and determined that it does not meet the criteria set out in its Advertising Policy for advertisements on the public transit system. For example, the Advertising Policy contains the following limitation:</p><p>No advertisement will be accepted which promotes or opposes a specific theology or religious ethic, point of view, policy or action.</p><p>As such, the organization has been informed that its advertising order cannot be accepted.</p><p>The Standards and Limitations section of TransLink’s advertising policy have been in force for over 20 years and were adopted from BC Transit, which operated transit services in Metro Vancouver prior to TransLink’s creation in 1999.</p><p>The policy is administered by TransLink management, but management’s decisions are subject to review by the Board of Directors.</p></blockquote><p>This bugs me.  If I ever paid my fare on the Skytrain I&#8217;d stop.  Things like this &#8211; this is why the good lord made jiffy markers.  I swear to allah, the first ad for &#8216;Little Mosque on the Prairie&#8217; I see &#8230;</p><p><a
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isPermaLink="false">http://rjjago.wordpress.com/?p=3238</guid> <description><![CDATA[Via the BC Muslims&#8217; Website: Tariq Ramadan: The Scope and Limits of Reforming Islam Mon. Feb. 23, 2009 Event Category: Lecture Community: All Muslims Time: 7:00pm An internationally recognized scholar of Islam, Tariq Ramadan was named by TIME magazine as one of the 21st century&#8217;s top 100 innovators for his infl uential eff orts toward [...]<img
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/> Mon. Feb. 23, 2009<br
/> Event Category: Lecture<br
/> Community: All Muslims</p><p>Time: 7:00pm</p><p>An internationally recognized scholar of Islam, Tariq Ramadan was named by TIME magazine as one of the 21st century&#8217;s top 100 innovators for his infl uential eff orts toward the establishment of a modern and independent European Islam.</p><p>Prof. Ramadan&#8217;s lecture will draw from his most recent book, A Radical Reform: Islamic Ethics and Liberation, in which he calls for a dramatic transformation of Muslim spiritual, ethical, legal and social traditions as a necessary response to contemporary global challenges.</p><p>&#8220;[Ramadan's proposal] is bound to provoke controversy and spark debate among Muslims and non-Muslims alike.&#8221; &#8211; Oxford University Press</p><p><strong>This lecture is free and open to the public</strong>. Reservations are recommended.<br
/> <strong><br
/> RSVP: Please call 778-782-5100 or email cs_hc@sfu.ca</strong></p><p>Venue<br
/> SFU Segal Graduate School of Business<br
/> 500 Granville St.<br
/> Vancouver<br
/> BC</p></blockquote><p>The debate that Ramadan provokes among non-Muslims is mostly about his so-called &#8216;forked-tongue&#8217; &#8211; i.e. his apparent habit of saying one thing to western listeners, and another to Muslims.  <a
href="http://www.slate.com/id/2173736/">Here Christopher Hitchens discusses Ramadan</a> and some of his other provocative acts:</p><blockquote><p>He possesses a command of postmodern and sociological jargon (of the sort that you may easily recognize by its repetitive use of the terms <em>space</em> and <em>discourse</em> to delineate the arena of thinkable debate), and he has a smooth way with euphemism.</p><p>Thus, he tells Egyptian television that the destruction of the Israeli state is for the moment &#8220;impossible&#8221; and in Mantua described the idea of stoning adulterous women as &#8220;unimplementable.&#8221; This is something less than a full condemnation, but he is quick to say that simple condemnation of such things would reduce his own &#8220;credibility&#8221; in the eyes of a Muslim audience that, or so he claims, he wants to modernize by stealth.</p><p>His day-to-day politics have the same surreptitious air to them. The donations he made to Hamas (donations that led to difficulties receiving a visa to teach at the University of Notre Dame, a position he eventually resigned) were small gifts directed to Hamas&#8217; &#8220;humanitarian&#8221; and &#8220;relief&#8221; wing.</p></blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s doing in our little atheist backwater<a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver#Religion">*</a>.   But you should take the time to see him, he is as they say, &#8216;Islamist royalty&#8217;.  Be sure to book early, it&#8217;s a tiny venue.</p><p>FYI: You can find <a
href="http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2043">a lengthy indictment of him here</a>.</p> <br
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isPermaLink="false">http://rjjago.wordpress.com/?p=3007</guid> <description><![CDATA[Part two of the atheist bible.  Part one can be found here. WHAT IS THEOLOGY? There is a science which has for its object only incomprehensible things. Unlike all others, it occupies itself but with things unseen. Hobbes calls it &#8220;the kingdom of darkness.&#8221; In this land all obey laws opposed to those which men [...]<img
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href="http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/jean-meslier-superstition-in-all-ages-part-one/">here</a>.</p><blockquote><p>WHAT IS THEOLOGY?</p><p>There is a science which has for its object only incomprehensible things. Unlike all others, it occupies itself but with things unseen. Hobbes calls it &#8220;the kingdom of darkness.&#8221; In this land all obey laws opposed to those which men acknowledge in the world they inhabit. In this marvelous region light is but darkness, evidence becomes doubtful or false, the impossible becomes credible, reason is an unfaithful guide, and common sense changed into delirium. This science is named Theology, and this Theology is a continual insult to human reason.</p><p>By frequent repetition of if, &#8216;but, and perhaps, we succeed in forming an imperfect and broken system which perplexes men&#8217;s minds to the extent of making them forget the clearest notions, and to render uncertain the most palpable truths. By the aid of this systematic nonsense, all nature has become an inexplicable enigma for man ; the visible world has disappeared to give place to invisible regions; reason is obliged to give place to imagination, which can lead us only to the land of chimeras which she herself has invented.</p><p>IV. MAN BORN NEITHER RELIGIOUS NOR DEISTICAL.</p><p>All religious principles are founded upon the idea of a God, but it is impossible for men to have true ideas of a being who does not act upon any one of their senses. All our ideas are but pictures of objects which strike us. What can the idea of God represent to us when it is evidently an idea without an object? Is not such an idea as impossible as an effect without a cause ? An idea without a prototype, is it anything but a chimera? Some theologians, however, assure us that the idea of God is innate, or that men have this idea from the time of their birth. Every principle is a judgment ; all judgment is the effect of experience ; experience is not acquired but by the exercise of the senses; from which it follows that religious principles are drawn from nothing, and are not innate.</p><p>V. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO BELIEVE IN A GOD, AND THE MOST REASONABLE THING IS NOT TO THINK OF HIM.</p><p>No religious system can be founded otherwise than upon the nature of God and of men, and upon the relations they bear to each other. But, in order to judge of the reality of these relations, we must have some idea of the Divine nature. But everybody tells us that the essence of God is incomprehensible to man; at the same time they do not hesitate to assign attributes to this incomprehensible-God, and assure us that man can not dispense with a knowledge of this God so impossible to conceive of. The most important thing for men is that which is the most impossible for them to comprehend. If God is incomprehensible to man, it would seem rational never to think of Him at all; but religion concludes that man is crimnial if he ceases for a moment to revere Him.</p><p>VI. RELIGION IS FOUNDED UPON CREDULITY.</p><p>We are told that Divine qualities are not of a nature to be grasped by limited minds. The natural consequence of this principle ought to be that the Divine qualities are not made to employ limited minds ; but religion assures us that, limited minds sh&#8217;ould never lose sight of this inconceivable being, whose qualities can not be grasped by them; from which we see that religion is the art of occupying limited minds with that which is impossible for them to comprehend.</p><p>VH. EVERY RELIGION IS AN ABSURDITY.</p><p>Religion unites man with God or puts them in communication; but do you say that God is infinite ? If God is infinite, no finite being can have communication or any relation with Him. Where there are no relations, there can be no union, no correspondence, no duties. If there are no duties between man and his God, there exists no religion for man. Thus by saying that God is infinite, you annihilate, from that moment, all religion for man, who is a finite being. The idea of infinity is for us an idea without model, without prototype, without object.</p><p>THE NOTION OF GOD IS IMPOSSIBLE.</p><p>If God is an infinite being, there can be neither in the actual world or in another any proportion between man and his God ; thus the idea of God will never enter the human mind. In the supposition of a life where men will be more enlightened than in this one, the infinity of God will always place such a distance between his idea and the limited mind of man, that he will not be able to conceive of God any more in a future life than in the present. Hence, it evidently follows that the idea of God will not be better suited to man in the other life than in the present. God is not made for man; it follows also that intelligences superior to man such as angels, archangels, seraphims, and saints can have no more complete notions of God than has man, who does not understand anything about Him here below.</p><p>IX. ORIGIN OF SUPERSTITION.</p><p>How is it that we have succeeded in persuading reasonable beings that the thing most impossible to understand was the most essential for them. It is because they were greatly frightened; it is because when men are kept in fear they cease to reason; it is because they have been expressly enjoined to distrust their reason. When the brain is troubled, we believe everything and examine nothing.</p><p>X. ORIGIN OF ALL RELIGION.</p><p>Ignorance and fear are the two pivots of all religion. The uncertainty attending man &#8216;s relation to his God is precisely the motive which attaches him to his religion. Man is afraid when in darkness physical or moral. His fear is habitual to him and becomes a necessity; he would believe that he lacked something if he had nothing to fear.</p><p>XI. IN THE NAME OF RELIGION CHARLATANS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEAKNESS OF MEN.</p><p>He who from his childhood has had a habit of trembling every time he heard certain words, needs these words, and needs to tremble. In this way he is more disposed to listen to the one who encourages his fears than to the one who would dispel his fears. The superstitious man wants to be afraid ; his imagination demands it. It seems that he fears nothing more than having no object to fear. Men are imaginary patients, whom interested charlatans take care to encourage in their weakness, in order to have a market for their remedies. Physicians who order a great number of remedies are more listened to than those who recommend a good regimen, and who leave nature to act.</p><p>XH. RELIGION ENTICES IGNORANCE BY THE AID OF THE MARVELOUS.</p><p>If religion was clear, it would have fewer attractions for the ignorant. They need obscurity, mysteries, fables, miracles, incredible things, which keep their brains perpetually at work. Romances, idle stories, tales of ghosts and witches, have more charms for the vulgar than true narrations. In the matter of religion, men are but overgrown children. The more absurd a religion is, and the fuller of marvels, the more power it exerts; the devotee thinks himself obliged to place no limits to his credulity ; the more inconceivable things are, the more divine they appear to him; the more incredible they are, the more merit he gives himself for believing them.</p><p>XIV. THERE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ANY RELIGION IF THERE HAD NEVER BEEN ANY DARK AND BARBAROUS AGES.</p><p>The origin of religious opinions dates, as a general thing, from the time when savage nations were yet in a state of infancy. It was to coarse, ignorant, and stupid men that the founders of religion addressed themselves in all ages, in order to present them with Gods, ceremonies, histories of fabulous Divinities, marvelous and terrible fables. These chimeras, adopted without examination by the fathers, have been transmitted with more or less changes to their polished children, who often do not reason more than their fathers.</p><p>XV. ALL RELIGION WAS BORN OF THE DESIRE TO DOMINATE.</p><p>The first legislators of nations had for their object to dominate. The easiest means of succeeding was to frighten the people and to prevent them from reasoning; they led them by tortuous paths in order that they should not perceive the designs of their guides; they compelled them to look into the air, for fear they should look to their feet; they amused them upon the road by stories ; in a word, they treated them in the way of nurses, who employ songs and menaces to put the children to sleep, or to force them to be quiet.</p><p>XVI. THAT WHICH SERVES AS A BASIS FOR ALL RELIGION IS VERY UNCERTAIN.</p><p>The existence of a God is the basis of all religion. Few people seem to doubt this existence, but this fundamental principle is precisely the one which prevents every mind from reasoning. The first question of every catechism was, and will always be, the most difficult one to answer.</p><p>XVII. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE CONVINCED OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD.</p><p>Can one honestly say that he is convinced of the existence of a being whose nature is not known, who remains inaccessible to all our senses, and of whose qualities we are constantly assured that they are incomprehensible to us? In order to persuade me that a being exists, or can exist, he must begin by telling me what this being is ; in order to make me believe the existence or the possibility of such a being, he must tell me things about him which are not contradictory, and which do not destroy one another ; finally, in order to convince me fully of the existence of this being, he must tell me things about him which I can comprehend, and prove to me that it is impossible that the being to whom he attributes these qualities does not exist. A thing is impossible when it is composed of two ideas so antagonistic, that we can not think of them at the same time. Evidence can be relied on only when confirmed by the constant testimony of our senses, which alone give birth to ideas, and enable us to judge of their conformity or of their incompatibility. That which exists necessarily, is that of which the non-existence would imply contradiction. These principles, universally recognized, are at fault when the question of the existence of God is considered ; what has been said of Him is either unintelligible or perfectly contradictory; and for this reason must appear impossible to every man of common sense.</p><p>XIX. THE EXISTENCE OF GOD IS NOT PROVED.</p><p>All human intelligences are more or less enlightened and cultivated. By what fatality is it that the science of God has never been explained? The most civilized nations and the most profound thinkers are of the same opinion in regard to the matter as the most barbarous nations and the most ignorant and rustic people. As we examine the subject more closely, we will find that the science of divinity by means of reveries and subtleties has but obscured it more and more. Thus far, all religion has been founded on what is called in logic, a &#8220;begging of the question;&#8221; it supposes freely, and then proves, finally, by the suppositions it has made.</p><p>XX. TO SAY THAT GOD IS A SPIRIT, IS TO SPEAK WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING AT ALL.</p><p>By metaphysics, God is made a pure spirit, but has modern theology advanced one step further than the theology of the barbarians? They recognized a grand spirit as master of the world. The barbarians, like all ignorant men, attribute to spirits all the effects of which their inexperience prevents them from discovering the true causes. Ask a barbarian what causes your watch to move, he will answer, &#8216; &#8216; a spirit ! &#8216; &#8216; Ask our philosophers what moves the universe, they will tell you &#8221; it is a spirit. &#8216; &#8216;</p></blockquote> <br
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href="http://www.archive.org/stream/superstitioninal00holb/superstitioninal00holb_djvu.txt">precisely one web link</a> to it&#8217;s full English text on-line.  That&#8217;s a shame.  His book was one of my inspirations.  Up there with the first 600 or so pages of Atlas Shrugged.</p><p><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Meslier">Here&#8217;s Meslier from Wikipedia:</a></p><blockquote><p>Jean Meslier was born January 15, 1664, in Mazerny in the Ardennes. He began learning Latin from a neighborhood priest in 1678 and eventually joined the seminary; he later claimed, in the Author&#8217;s Preface to his <em>Testament</em>, this was done to please his parents. At the end of his studies, he took Holy Orders and, on January 7, 1689, became priest at Étrépigny, in <span
class="mw-redirect">Champagne</span>. One public disagreement with a local nobleman aside, Meslier was to all appearances generally unremarkable, and he performed his office without complaint or problem for 40 years.</p><p>When Meslier died, there were found in his house three copies of a 633-page octavo manuscript in which the village curate denounces religion as &#8220;but a castle in the air&#8221;, and theology as &#8220;but ignorance of natural causes reduced to a system&#8221;.</p></blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve decided to post his book, his final testament, on the blog and hopefully get it better known.  One bit at a time.  Here&#8217;s part one of the atheist bible.</p><blockquote><p
style="text-align:center;"><strong>SUPERSTITION IN ALL AGES: A DYING CONFESSION </strong></p><p
style="text-align:center;">BY JEAN MESLIER</p><p
style="text-align:center;">A Roman Catholic Priest, who at his death left as his &#8220;Last Will and Testament&#8221; this now famous manuscript as contained herein, entitled COMMON SENSE</p><p>WHEN we wish to examine in a cool, calm way the opinions of men, we are very much surprised to find that in those which we consider the most essential, nothing is more rare than to find them using common sense; that is to say, the portion of judgment sufficient to know the most simple truths, to reject the most striking absurdities, and to be shocked by palpable contradictions. We have an example of this in Theology, a science revered in all times, in all countries, by the greatest number of mortals; an object considered the most important, the most useful, and the most indispensable to the happiness of society. If they would but take the trouble to sound the principles upon which this pretended science rests itself, they would be compelled to admit that the principles which were considered incontestable, are but hazardous suppositions, conceived in ignorance, propagated by enthusiasm or bad intention, adopted by timid credulity, preserved by habit, which never reasons, and revered solely because it is not comprehended. Some, says Montaigne, make the world believe that which they do not themselves believe, a greater number of others make themselves believe, not comprehending what is to believe. In a word, whoever will consult common sense upon religious opinions, and will carry into the examination the attention given to objects of ordinary interest, will easily perceive that the opinions have no solid foundation ; that all religion is but a castle in the air ; that Theology is but ignorance of natural causes reduced to a system ; that it is but a long tissue of chimeras and contradictions; that it presents to all the different nations of the earth only romances devoid of probability, of which the hero himself is made up of qualities impossible to reconcile, his name having the power to excite in all hearts respect and fear, is found to be but a vague word, which men continually utter, being able to attach to it only such ideas or qualities as are belied by the facts, or which evidently contradict each other. The notion of this imaginary being, or rather the word by which we designate him, would be of no consequence did it not cause ravages without number upon the earth. Born into the opinion that this phantom is for them a very interesting reality, men, instead of wisely concluding from its incomprehensibility that they are exempt from thinking of it, on the contrary, conclude that they can not occupy themselves enough about it, that they must meditate upon it without ceasing, reason without end, and never lost sight of it. The invincible ignorance in which they are kept in this respect, far from discouraging them, does but excite their curiosity ; instead of putting them on guard against their imagination, this ignorance makes them positive, dogmatic, imperious, and causes them to quarrel with all those who oppose doubts to the reveries which their brains have brought forth. What perplexity, when we attempt to solve an unsolvable problem! Anxious meditations upon an object impossible to grasp, and which, however, is supposed to be very important to him, can but put a man into bad humor, and produce in his brain dangerous transports. When interest, vanity, and ambition are joined to such a morose disposition, society necessarily becomes troubled. This is why so many nations have often become the theaters of extravagances caused by nonsensical visionists, who, publishing their shallow speculations for the eternal truth, have kindled the enthusiasm of princes and of people, and have prepared them for opinions which they represented as essential to the glory of divinity and to the happiness of empires. We have seen, a thousand times, in all parts of our globe, infuriated fanatics slaughtering each other, lighting the funeral piles, committing without scruple, as a matter of duty, the greatest crimes. Why? To maintain or to propagate the impertinent conjectures of enthusiasts, or to sanction the knaveries of impostors on account of a being who exists only in their imagination, and who is known only by the ravages, the disputes, and the follies which he has caused upon the earth.</p><p>Originally, savage nations, ferocious, perpetually at war, adored, under various names, some God con-formed to their ideas; that is to say, cruel, carnivorous, selfish, greedy of blood. We find in all the religions of the earth a God of armies, a jealous God, an avenging God, an exterminating God, a God who enjoys carnage and whose worshipers make it a duty to serve him to his taste. Lambs, bulls, children, men, heretics, infidels, kings, whole nations, are sacrificed to him. The zealous servants of this barbarous God go so far as to believe that they are obliged to offer themselves as a sacrifice to him. Everywhere we see zealots who, after having sadly meditated upon their terrible God, imagine that, in order to please him, they must do themselves all the harm possible, and inflict upon themselves, in his honor, all imaginable torments. In a word, everywhere the baneful ideas of Divinity, far from consoling men for misfortunes incident to their existence, have filled the heart with trouble, and given birth to follies destructive to them. How could the human mind, filled with frightful phantoms and guided by men interested in perpetuating its ignorance and its fear, make progress ? Man was compelled to vegetate in his primitive stupidity; he was preserved only by invisible powers, upon whom his fate was supposed to depend. Solely occupied with his alarms and his unintelligible reveries, he was always at the mercy of his priests, who reserved for themselves the right of thinking for him and of regulating his conduct. Thus man was, and always remained, a child without experience, a slave without courage, a loggerhead who feared to reason, and who could never escape from the labyrinth into which his ancestors had misled him ; he felt compelled to groan under the yoke of his Gods, of whom he knew nothing except the fabulous accounts of their ministers. These, after having fettered him by the ties of opinion, have remained his masters or delivered him up defenseless to the absolute power of tyrants, no less terrible than the Gods, of whom they were the representatives upon the earth. Oppressed by the double yoke of spiritual and temporal power, it was impossible for the people to instruct themselves and to work for their own welfare. Thus, religion, politics, and morals became sanctuaries, into which the profane were not permitted to enter. Men had no other morality than that which their legislators and their priests claimed as descended from unknown empyrean regions. The human mind, perplexed by these theological opinions, misunderstood itself, doubted its own powers, mistrusted experience, feared truth, disdained its reason, and left it to blindly follow authority. Man was a pure machine in the hands of his tyrants and his priests, who alone had the right to regulate his movements. Always treated as a slave, he had at all times and in all places the vices and dispositions of a slave.</p><p>These are the true sources of the corruption of habits, to which religion never opposes anything but ideal and ineffectual obstacles; ignorance and servitude have a tendency to make men wicked and unhappy. Science, reason, liberty, alone can reform them and render them more happy; but everything conspires to blind them and to conform them in their blindness. The priests deceive them, ty- rants corrupt them in order to subjugate them more easily. Tyranny has been, and will always be, the chief source of the depraved morals and habitual calamities of the people. These, almost always fascinated by their religious notions or by metaphysical fictions, instead of looking upon the natural and visible causes of their miseries, attribute their vices to the imperfections of their nature, and their misfortunes to the anger of their Gods ; they offer to Heaven vows, sacrifices, and presents, in order to put an end to their misfortunes, which are really due only to the negligence, the ignorance, and to the perversity of their guides, to the folly of their institutions, to their foolish customs, to their false opinions, to their unreasonable laws, and especially to their want of enlightenment. Let the mind be filled early with true ideas; let man&#8217;s reason be cultivated; let justice govern him; and there will be no need of opposing to his passions the powerless barrier of the fear of Gods. Men will be good when they are well taught, well governed, chastised or censured for the evil, and justly rewarded for the good which they have done to their fellow-citizens. It is idle to pretend to cure mortals of their vices if we do not begin by curing them of their prejudices. It is only by showing them the truth that they can know their best interests and the real motives which will lead them to happiness. Long enough have the instructors of the people fixed their eyes on heaven ; let them at last bring them back to the earth. Tired of an incomprehensible theology, of ridiculous fables, of impenetrable mysteries, of puerile ceremonies, let the hu- man mind occupy itself with natural things, intelligible objects, sensible truths, and useful knowledge. Let the vain chimeras which beset the people be dissipated, and very soon rational opinions will fill the minds of those who were believed fated to be always in error. To annihilate religious prejudices it would be sufficient to show that what is inconceivable to man can not be of any use to him. Does it need, then, anything but simple common sense to perceive that a being most clearly irreconcilable with the notions of mankind, that a cause continually opposed to the effects attributed to him ; that a being of whom not a word can be said without falling into contradictions; that a being who, far from explaining the mysteries of the universe, only renders them more inexplicable ; that a being to whom for so many centuries men ad- dressed themselves so vainly to obtain their happiness and deliverance from their sufferings; does it need, I say, more than simple common sense to understand that the idea of such a being is an idea without model, and that he is himself evidently not a reasonable being? Does it require more than common sense to feel that there is at least delirium and frenzy in hating and tormenting each other for unintelligible opinions of a being of this kind? Finally, does it not all prove that morality and virtue are totally incompatible with the idea of a God, whose ministers and interpreters have painted him in all countries as the most fantastic, the most unjust, and the most cruel of tyrants, whose pre- tended wishes are to serve as rules and laws for the inhabitants of the earth? To discover the true principles of morality, men have no need of theology, of revelation, or of Gods; they need but common sense ; they have only to look within themselves, to reflect upon their own nature, to consult their obvious interests, to consider the object of society and of each of the members who compose it, and they will easily understand that virtue is an advantage, and that vice is an injury to beings of their species. Let us teach men to be just, benevolent, moderate, and sociable, not because their Gods exact it, but to please men; let us tell them to abstain from vice and from crime, not because they will be punished in another world, but because they will suffer in the present world. There are, says Montesquieu, means to prevent crime, they are sufferings; to change the manners, these are good examples. Truth is simple, error is complicated, uncertain in its gait, full of byways; the voice of nature is intelligible, that of falsehood is ambiguous, enigmatical, and mysterious ; the road of truth is straight, that of imposture is oblique and dark ; this truth, always necessary to man, is felt by all just minds ; the lessons of reason are followed by all honest souls ; men are unhappy only because they are ignorant; they are ignorant only because everything conspires to prevent them from being enlightened, and they are wicked only because their reason is not sufficiently developed.</p><p
style="text-align:center;"><strong>COMMON SENSE</strong></p><p
style="text-align:center;"><em><strong>Detexit quo dolose Vaticinandi furore sacerdotes mysteria, illis saepe ignota, audactur publicant. PETRON. SATYR.</strong></em></p><p
style="text-align:center;"><strong>I. APOLOGUE.</strong></p><p>THERE is a vast empire governed by a monarch, whose conduct does but confound the minds of his subjects. He desires to be known, loved, respected, and obeyed, but he never shows himself; everything tends to make uncertain the notions which we are able to form about him. The people subjected to his power have only such ideas of the character and the laws of their invisible sovereign as his ministers give them ; these suit, however, because they themselves have no idea of their master, for his ways are impenetrable, and his views and his qualities are totally incomprehensible; moreover, his ministers disagree among themselves in regard to the orders which they pretend emanated from the sovereign whose organs they claim to be; they announce them diversely in each province of the empire; they discredit and treat each other as impostors and liars ; the decrees and ordinances which they promulgate are obscure ; they are enigmas, made not to be understood or divined by the subjects for whose instruction they were intended. The laws of the invisible monarch need interpreters, but those who explain them are always quarreling among themselves about the true way of understanding them; more than this, they do not agree among themselves; all which they relate of their hidden prince is but a tissue of contradictions, scarcely a single word that is not contradicted at once. He is called supremely good, nevertheless not a person but complains of his decrees. He is supposed to be infinitely wise, and in his administration everything seems contrary to reason and good sense. They boast of his justice, and the best of his subjects are generally the least favored. We are assured that he sees everything, yet his presence remedies nothing. It is said that he is the friend of order, and everything in his universe is in a state of confusion and disorder ; all is created by him, yet events rarely happen according to his projects. He foresees everything, but his foresight prevents nothing. He is impatient if any offend him; at the same time he puts every one in the way of offending him. His knowledge is admired in the perfection of his works, but his works are full of imperfections, and of little permanence. He is continually occupied in creating and destroying, then repairing what he has done, never appearing to be satisfied with his work. In all his enterprises he seeks but his own glory, but he does not succeed in being glorified. He works but for the good of his subjects, and most of them lack the necessities of life. Those whom he seems to favor, are generally those who are the least satisfied with their fate; we see them all continually revolting against a master whose greatness they admire, whose wisdom they extol, whose goodness they worship, and whose justice they fear, revering orders which they never follow. This empire is the world; its monarch is God ; His ministers are the priests ; their subjects are men.</p></blockquote> <br
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href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=never-say-die">an article in this month&#8217;s Scientific American Mind</a> that tries to show that people cannot properly conceive of death:</p><blockquote><p>Consider the rather startling fact that you will never know you have died. You may feel yourself slipping away, but it isn’t as though there will be a “you” around who is capable of ascertaining that, once all is said and done, it has actually happened. Just to remind you, you need a working cerebral cortex to harbor propositional knowledge of any sort, including the fact that you’ve died—and once you’ve died your brain is about as phenomenally generative as a head of lettuce.</p></blockquote><p>To be honest I hadn&#8217;t thought <em>too much</em> about that one fact &#8211; that you&#8217;ll never know that you&#8217;ve died. Some people have though.</p><p>There&#8217;s a very dark genre of literature called death poetry.  It&#8217;s made up of poems or haikus written by Japanese ritual suicides at the moment of death.  There are hundreds<span
id="more-2850"></span> on-line.  Read through them and you&#8217;ll see that quite a few show a proper understanding of death, or what Scientific American calls &#8220;extinctionist thinking&#8221;:</p><blockquote><p>Like dew drops<br
/> on a lotus leaf<br
/> I vanish.<br
/> <a
href="http://www.salon.com/weekly/zen960805.html">- Senryu, d. 1827</a></p><p>Earth and metal&#8230;<br
/> although my breathing ceases<br
/> time and tide go on.<br
/> <a
href="http://members.shaw.ca/deathpoetry/haiku1.html">- Atsujin</a></p><p>This final scene I&#8217;ll not see<br
/> to the end&#8230;my dream<br
/> is fraying.<br
/> <a
href="http://members.shaw.ca/deathpoetry/haiku1.html">- Choko</a></p></blockquote><p>These ones, I don&#8217;t know &#8211; but, they seem to be saying something important:</p><blockquote><p>I know not what life is, nor death.<br
/> Year in year out-all but a dream.<br
/> Both Heaven and Hell are left behind;<br
/> I stand in the moonlit dawn,<br
/> Free from clouds of attachment.</p><p><a
href="http://samurai-archives.com/deathq.html">- Uesugi Kenshin</a></p><p>Had I not known<br
/> that I was dead<br
/> already<br
/> I would have mourned<br
/> my loss of life.</p><p><a
href="http://samurai-archives.com/deathq.html">- Ota Dokan</a></p><p>Now we disappear,<br
/> well, what must we think of it?<br
/> From the sky we came.<br
/> Now we may go back again.<br
/> That&#8217;s at least one point of view.</p><p><a
href="http://samurai-archives.com/deathq.html">- Hojo Ujimasa</a></p><p>All doctrins split asunder<br
/> Zen Teaching cast away&#8211;<br
/> Fourscore years and one.<br
/> The sky now cracks and falls<br
/> The earth cleaves open&#8211;<br
/> In the heart of the fire<br
/> Lies a hidden spring.</p><p><a
href="http://www.poetryofdying.com/Japanese_Death_Poems.htm">- Giun</a></p></blockquote><p>I have nothing to say about all this, let&#8217;s just say it&#8217;s in honour of November 2nd &#8211; the &#8216;Día de los Muertos&#8217;.</p> <br
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Stephane Dion &#8211; Liberal
After the show, Dion asked about the denominational breakdown of those of our viewers who are Christian. &#8220;You see, the Catholics [...]<img
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