A visitor named Slim has left a loooong comment on one of my previous blog posts. He(?) has decided to weigh in after I posted
Did Jesus Exist? Slim exhibits almost all of the traits that I have learned to identify with religious fanatics, see how many you can spot in the following and I'll comment after the fold.
"anonymous fuckwit?" LOL! That comment screams visionary.
The point is many "Christians" and "Atheist" argue and debate over faith? Faith cannot be argued. It’s simply a matter of one’s belief. You're an atheist... that is your faith. You believe it with conviction, you are an apologetic for it, you have your saints, and messiah(s) just like Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhist and a whole host of other religions throughout history. Atheists are as fanatically religious as any other group, possibly more so and at the very least, Atheists certainly are as militant as some groups. Why? What purpose are you trying to serve? Are you bent on hurting people? 95% of the world believes in some sort of god or gods. So, are you among the “so-called” enlightened 5%? What happens if you convince all the Christians to be Atheists? Are you going to proselytize the Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindu, and the whole host of other religions in the world next? Why are you seeking to convert? What is that you are hoping to achieve? What is that you hope for when you die? Is it nothing? Than what’s the point of living, kill yourself now! Just kidding about the killing yourself…that is not recommended (even if I think you are psycho). I digress….
QUOTING
YOU >>>>“I'm intrigued as to your final comment, you seem to belittle both believers and non-believers alike for their apparent 'lack of vision'”
I’m not really belittling anyone, you or them. I’m simply making an observation. You seem to be defending your “religion” as avidly as any other “faith group”. It is your prerogative to do so, but I only see further human division and no effort for unity. That is one reason I see as a “lack of vision”, because we are all more alike than we are different. Think of it this way, what if every Christian actually lived up to the mandate given by Jesus? What if everyone in the world did? What was his mandate? To love your neighbor (fellow man) as you love yourself. However, Buddha, Confucius, and the Vedas say almost exactly the same thing Jesus taught. Furthermore the concept is in Judaism and is suggested in many other “religious beliefs” throughout the world (polytheistic and monotheistic) and throughout history.
The lack of vision is many people of many different beliefs know that “loving your fellow man is right” but don’t actually seek to understand what that concept means let alone actually strive to apply it in their lives. What kind of world do you think this would be if we all actually lived by that concept? If I loved you as I love myself why would I kill you, steal from you, lie to you? What if I didn’t desire your car, house or wife? What if I gave my life for your life? This world would be that paradise wouldn’t it? That really isn’t such a bad idea is it? You see the lack of vision rests on not understanding selfishness and selflessness or to put it in a more dramatic way; “survival” or “sacrifice”. So, regardless if Jesus exists to you or not is irrelevant the ideas of Jesus exists and have existed since the beginning of time, and it exists in other “faiths”, even if they don’t realize it. I rail on Christians lack the vision because they know the drill but don’t do it, so many are hypocrites (not all, some really try) but it isn’t really about them or us is it? It is really about the "individual”.
My hope for humanity rests in Jesus’ ideal existence because it can be real if only we at the very least tried to live by it. Could that reality of “paradise” be worse than were each of us are now? But the hard cold fact is I can’t tell you what to do or how to live, no more than you can tell me, which leaves us with this thought. The world can only change when each individual decides to change. That change from “survival” to “sacrifice” will be what saves humanity. “Survival” can only lead to one “survivor” who is still mortal and so there will be none who “survive” in the end.
P.S. By the way my screen name is Slim, not that it matters, you don’t know me anyway, but I only did Anonymous simply because it is easier. It has nothing to do with the size of my Balls… it was about laziness. How’s that for vision? heheh.
Let's have a look at Slim's comment in more manageable pieces.
I was rather snarky with Slim over his initial anonymous post. I mean c'mon, how hard is it to put those 4 letters into the name box Slim?
"anonymous fuckwit?" LOL! That comment screams visionary.
The point is many "Christians" and "Atheist" argue and debate over faith? Faith cannot be argued.
I beg to differ, 'Faith' as you put it has been argued throughout history, mostly between those who profess the same beliefs.
It’s simply a matter of one’s belief. You're an atheist... that is your faith. You believe it with conviction, you are an apologetic for it, you have your saints, and messiah(s) just like Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhist and a whole host of other religions throughout history.
I'll concede that I believe atheism with conviction, after all atheism is no more and no less than a dis-belief in a supernatural deity and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the existence of same. So yes, I strongly believe in my dis-belief. Should evidence arise that points towards the existence of a celestial superman I am open to re-evaluating those convictions.
I must have missed the memo about the atheist saints and messiahs, perhaps you could point them out to me?
Atheists are as fanatically religious as any other group, possibly more so and at the very least, Atheists certainly are as militant as some groups.
Fanatically religious? No dogma, no holy book, no priestly hierarchy, are you sure that word means what you think it means?
Why? What purpose are you trying to serve? Are you bent on hurting people?
Last I checked there was no athiest bible denigrating homosexuals or condemning those that believe differently to eternal suffering. If by hurt you mean shatter your superstitious delusions then yes, I suppose I am bent on 'hurting you'.
95% of the world believes in some sort of god or gods. So, are you among the “so-called” enlightened 5%?
Actually it's
more like 80% but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
What happens if you convince all the Christians to be Atheists? Are you going to proselytize the Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindu, and the whole host of other religions in the world next??
Proselytize? No athiest holy book remember? Should Christians suddenly decide to be atheists I'll leave the proselytizing to them, they seem to be rather good at it.
Why are you seeking to convert? What is that you are hoping to achieve??
How about a world based on the here and now, rather than one where 'who's God is the biggest' dominates political and private life?
What is that you hope for when you die? Is it nothing? Than what’s the point of living, kill yourself now! Just kidding about the killing yourself…that is not recommended (even if I think you are psycho).?
I hope for nothing when I die, other than that people will remember me fondly and that I lived a good life. I can think of nothing worse than being sentenced to an eternity of servitude and constant praising of an ego-centric, malevolent dictator.
I digress….
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YOU >>>>“I'm intrigued as to your final comment, you seem to belittle both believers and non-believers alike for their apparent 'lack of vision'”
I’m not really belittling anyone, you or them. I’m simply making an observation. You seem to be defending your “religion” as avidly as any other “faith group”. It is your prerogative to do so,?
I'm not defending anything mate, all I ask is that the religious types in the world provide evidence for their outlandish claims (and the words in a dusty, bronze-age tome don't count as evidence) or I will continue to point out the stupidity of their position.
but I only see further human division and no effort for unity.?
Remind me friend, which religion is it that claims unbelievers will suffer an eternity in hell? How much more divisive do you want?
That is one reason I see as a “lack of vision”, because we are all more alike than we are different. Think of it this way, what if every Christian actually lived up to the mandate given by Jesus? What if everyone in the world did? What was his mandate? To love your neighbor (fellow man) as you love yourself.?
He also mandated giving away all your worldly possessions and praying in private. Who decides which of Jesus' mandates you get to pick and choose?
Should 'Christianity' ever reach a concensus within itself, no Baptists, no Pentecostals, no Seventh Day Adventists et al then your thought experiment might have merit. In the meantime however it's as real as the tooth fairy's socks.
However, Buddha, Confucius, and the Vedas say almost exactly the same thing Jesus taught.?
Interesting that Buddha, Confucius and the Vedas all pre-date Jesus. It's almost like nothing in Christianity is particularly original.
Furthermore the concept is in Judaism and is suggested in many other “religious beliefs” throughout the world (polytheistic and monotheistic) and throughout history.
Like I said, hardly original. Perhaps because altruism is an inherent human trait and common across cultures.
The lack of vision is many people of many different beliefs know that “loving your fellow man is right” but don’t actually seek to understand what that concept means let alone actually strive to apply it in their lives. What kind of world do you think this would be if we all actually lived by that concept? If I loved you as I love myself why would I kill you, steal from you, lie to you? What if I didn’t desire your car, house or wife? What if I gave my life for your life? This world would be that paradise wouldn’t it? That really isn’t such a bad idea is it?
And we could all sit around praising Jeebus all day. Wouldn't that be wonderful? As I said mate, when there is one Christianity and you all agree on everything then maybe you can start looking at the rest of the world. When Christianity ceases to be responsible for some of the worst atrocities in history then maybe your vision of a completely Christian world would be more appealling. Until then I'll be keeping my eye out for the Inquisition.
You see the lack of vision rests on not understanding selfishness and selflessness or to put it in a more dramatic way; “survival” or “sacrifice”. So, regardless if Jesus exists to you or not is irrelevant the ideas of Jesus exists and have existed since the beginning of time, and it exists in other “faiths”, even if they don’t realize it.
I agree with you here, and as I hinted at before, altruism is a basic human trait so you are right, regardless of whether Jesus existed or not, humankind would still be striving for a utopian society. Which leaves the need for Jesus exactly where?
I rail on Christians lack the vision because they know the drill but don’t do it, so many are hypocrites (not all, some really try) but it isn’t really about them or us is it? It is really about the "individual”.
My hope for humanity rests in Jesus’ ideal existence because it can be real if only we at the very least tried to live by it. Could that reality of “paradise” be worse than were each of us are now?
Constant servitude and never-ending praise? I couldn't think of a worse existence.
But the hard cold fact is I can’t tell you what to do or how to live, no more than you can tell me, which leaves us with this thought. The world can only change when each individual decides to change. That change from “survival” to “sacrifice” will be what saves humanity. “Survival” can only lead to one “survivor” who is still mortal and so there will be none who “survive” in the end.
Very poetic, but everyone dies, it's the nature of life. Making the most of this world without the delusion that a better one lies beyond would be an ideal start from where I am sitting.
P.S. By the way my screen name is Slim, not that it matters, you don’t know me anyway, but I only did Anonymous simply because it is easier. It has nothing to do with the size of my Balls… it was about laziness. How’s that for vision? heheh.
You can write a screed like this but not type 'Slim' into a comment box? Shows distinct lack of vision if you ask me.