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		<title>Moral Structure, Part 3 by Drafterman of AvC</title>
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Summary


Applying these rules to the 78 logically coherent actions produces 10 moral rankings. These rankings are outlined below, in order of decreasing morality.


Moral Actions (12 actions, Ranked 1 – 4)
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<i><b>Summary</b></i></div>
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Applying these rules to the 78 logically coherent actions produces 10 moral rankings. These rankings are outlined below, in order of decreasing morality.</div>
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Moral Actions (12 actions, Ranked 1 – 4)<br />
Nonmoral Actions (26 actions, Ranked 5-8)<br />
Immoral Actions (40 actions, Ranked 9 &amp; 10)</div>
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<i>Moral Ranking:</i></div>
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<li>The Ideal (<i>Moral intentions; Forethought taken; Moral outcome; No outside influences; Rule 2 applies</i>) These actions represent the moral ideal. Their intentions are moral, forethought has been taken to eliminate misjudgment, neglect, and chance and hence have moral outcomes.</li>
<li>Coincidentally Ideal (<i>Moral intentions; No forethought taken; Moral outcome; No outside influences; Rule 2 applies</i>). These actions are similar to the ideal, in that they have moral intentions whose outcomes were not altered by misjudgment, neglect, or chance. These actions, however, have had no forethought included, which introduces an element of doubt. The existence and influence of misjudgment, neglect, and chance can never be completely eliminated. In the case of The Ideal, forethought was taken to determine the existence of these factors and eliminate them. In this case, however, no such forethought was taken, which increases our doubt. The difference in moral value is slight.</li>
<li>The Bittersweet (<i>Moral intentions; Forethought taken; Moral, nonmoral, or immoral outcome; Outcome affected by chance; Rule 3 applies</i>). These are those actions with moral intentions whose outcome has been influenced by chance, despite reasonable forethought. Since actors should not be held responsible for this level of chance, these actions are judged to be moral, according to their intentions, even if the outcome is nonmoral or immoral. The reasoning is that since the element of chance could not have been reasonably predicted or eliminated, we would still encourage this action to be taken in the future with the same intentions and forethought.</li>
<li>The Fortunate (<i>Moral intentions; No forethought taken; Moral outcome; Outcome affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance, but not in a morally significant way; Rule 4 applies</i>). These are actions where misjudgment, neglect, or chance played a rule due to lack of forethought, but did not affect the overall moral value of the outcome. Thus, in the case of actions with moral intentions, they still had moral outcomes, but only luckily so. Such actions are to be repeated, but with the addition of forethought to reduce the influence of the above factors, which could easily decrease the moral value of such actions.</li>
<li>The Cautious (<i>Nonmoral intentions; Forethought taken; Nonmoral outcome; No outside influences; Rule 2 applies</i>). These are actions whose intentions have no moral value as perceived by the actor, and the actor takes efforts to ensure that such remains the case.</li>
<li>The Simple (Nonmoral intentions; No forethought taken; Nonmoral outcome; No outside influences; Rule 2 applies). As with Cautious actions, though no forethought was taken. The lack of forethought is most likely due to the trivial nature of such actions, hence the title of “The Simple.”</li>
<li>The Unforeseen (<i>Nonmoral intentions; Forethought taken; Moral, nonmoral, or immoral outcome; Outcome affected by chance; Rule 3 applies</i>). As with Bittersweet actions, though the intention was of nonmoral value. The actor is not held responsible, but due to the nonmoral value of the intentions, the act is neither encouraged nor discouraged.</li>
<li>The Careless (<i>Moral or nonmoral intentions: No forethought taken; Immoral outcome; Outcome affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance; Rule 4 applies</i>). Here actions with moral or nonmoral intentions have nonmoral outcomes due to the influence of preventable circumstances. Given the nonmoral outcome, there is no punishment or reward, and forethought is highly encouraged for future attempts at this action again, lest they become Criminally Negligent.</li>
<li>The Criminally Negligent (<i>Moral or nonmoral intentions, No forethought taken; Immoral outcome; Outcome affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance; Rule 4 applies</i>). As with The Fortunate, and the Careless, preventable circumstances have resulted in an immoral outcome. Since these influences could have been reduced by reasonable forethought, the actor is held responsible. Such actions should not taken again without forethought.</li>
<li>The Fiendish (<i>Immoral intentions; Rule 1 applies</i>). All actions with immoral intentions fall into this lowest moral category.</li>
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
The purpose of this paper was to construct a set of rules to analyze complex moral actions, taking into account intentions, means, consequences, and outside influences in the determination of an overall moral value. 78 logically coherent actions, based on the possible combinations of the atomic elements of a compound action, were analyzed through these rules and ranked according to moral value. The result was not entirely Intentionalist (where only intentions matter) or Consequentialist (where only consequences matter), but a combination, where other factors and responsibilities were a factor.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br />
This paper leaves open many questions including: “What constitutes a simple moral act?” “What level of forethought should be considered reasonable?” “To what degree should we factor related consequences in judging the outcome of an action?” These questions were beyond the scope of this paper. The rules designed here are such that answers to the above questions would not invalidate them, but rather allow these rules to be incorporated into a larger moral framework.</div>
<br />
Lastly, there is the issue of the validity of the nonmoral value. Arguments can be made such that all actions, however trivial, are either moral or immoral. While ultimate resolution of this question is out of the scope of this paper, the rules can be modified to account for no nonmoral actions. Actions can still have nonmoral intentions, as intentions are based upon perception and the actor can fail to perceive any moral value to their intended goal. The outcome, however, will be either moral or immoral, since this is an objective assessment. Elimination of all rules with nonmoral outcomes and applying the rules results in the same ranking enumerated above, but with the nonmoral classed actions (5-8) removed. Alternatively, “nonmoral” can be replaced with “moral value unknown” to acknowledge the limitations of human knowledge in moral assessments.<br />
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Summary


Applying these rules to the 78 logically coherent actions produces 10 moral rankings. These rankings are outlined below, in order of decreasing morality.


Moral Actions (12 actions, Ranked 1 – 4)
Nonmoral Actions (26 actions, Ranked 5-8)...]]></description>
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<i><b>Summary</b></i></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br />
Applying these rules to the 78 logically coherent actions produces 10 moral rankings. These rankings are outlined below, in order of decreasing morality.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br />
Moral Actions (12 actions, Ranked 1 – 4)<br />
Nonmoral Actions (26 actions, Ranked 5-8)<br />
Immoral Actions (40 actions, Ranked 9 &amp; 10)</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br />
<i>Moral Ranking:</i></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
</div>
<ol style="text-align: justify;">
<li>The Ideal (<i>Moral intentions; Forethought taken; Moral outcome; No outside influences; Rule 2 applies</i>) These actions represent the moral ideal. Their intentions are moral, forethought has been taken to eliminate misjudgment, neglect, and chance and hence have moral outcomes.</li>
<li>Coincidentally Ideal (<i>Moral intentions; No forethought taken; Moral outcome; No outside influences; Rule 2 applies</i>). These actions are similar to the ideal, in that they have moral intentions whose outcomes were not altered by misjudgment, neglect, or chance. These actions, however, have had no forethought included, which introduces an element of doubt. The existence and influence of misjudgment, neglect, and chance can never be completely eliminated. In the case of The Ideal, forethought was taken to determine the existence of these factors and eliminate them. In this case, however, no such forethought was taken, which increases our doubt. The difference in moral value is slight.</li>
<li>The Bittersweet (<i>Moral intentions; Forethought taken; Moral, nonmoral, or immoral outcome; Outcome affected by chance; Rule 3 applies</i>). These are those actions with moral intentions whose outcome has been influenced by chance, despite reasonable forethought. Since actors should not be held responsible for this level of chance, these actions are judged to be moral, according to their intentions, even if the outcome is nonmoral or immoral. The reasoning is that since the element of chance could not have been reasonably predicted or eliminated, we would still encourage this action to be taken in the future with the same intentions and forethought.</li>
<li>The Fortunate (<i>Moral intentions; No forethought taken; Moral outcome; Outcome affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance, but not in a morally significant way; Rule 4 applies</i>). These are actions where misjudgment, neglect, or chance played a rule due to lack of forethought, but did not affect the overall moral value of the outcome. Thus, in the case of actions with moral intentions, they still had moral outcomes, but only luckily so. Such actions are to be repeated, but with the addition of forethought to reduce the influence of the above factors, which could easily decrease the moral value of such actions.</li>
<li>The Cautious (<i>Nonmoral intentions; Forethought taken; Nonmoral outcome; No outside influences; Rule 2 applies</i>). These are actions whose intentions have no moral value as perceived by the actor, and the actor takes efforts to ensure that such remains the case.</li>
<li>The Simple (Nonmoral intentions; No forethought taken; Nonmoral outcome; No outside influences; Rule 2 applies). As with Cautious actions, though no forethought was taken. The lack of forethought is most likely due to the trivial nature of such actions, hence the title of “The Simple.”</li>
<li>The Unforeseen (<i>Nonmoral intentions; Forethought taken; Moral, nonmoral, or immoral outcome; Outcome affected by chance; Rule 3 applies</i>). As with Bittersweet actions, though the intention was of nonmoral value. The actor is not held responsible, but due to the nonmoral value of the intentions, the act is neither encouraged nor discouraged.</li>
<li>The Careless (<i>Moral or nonmoral intentions: No forethought taken; Immoral outcome; Outcome affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance; Rule 4 applies</i>). Here actions with moral or nonmoral intentions have nonmoral outcomes due to the influence of preventable circumstances. Given the nonmoral outcome, there is no punishment or reward, and forethought is highly encouraged for future attempts at this action again, lest they become Criminally Negligent.</li>
<li>The Criminally Negligent (<i>Moral or nonmoral intentions, No forethought taken; Immoral outcome; Outcome affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance; Rule 4 applies</i>). As with The Fortunate, and the Careless, preventable circumstances have resulted in an immoral outcome. Since these influences could have been reduced by reasonable forethought, the actor is held responsible. Such actions should not taken again without forethought.</li>
<li>The Fiendish (<i>Immoral intentions; Rule 1 applies</i>). All actions with immoral intentions fall into this lowest moral category.</li>
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<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Conclusion</b><br />
</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
The purpose of this paper was to construct a set of rules to analyze complex moral actions, taking into account intentions, means, consequences, and outside influences in the determination of an overall moral value. 78 logically coherent actions, based on the possible combinations of the atomic elements of a compound action, were analyzed through these rules and ranked according to moral value. The result was not entirely Intentionalist (where only intentions matter) or Consequentialist (where only consequences matter), but a combination, where other factors and responsibilities were a factor.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br />
This paper leaves open many questions including: “What constitutes a simple moral act?” “What level of forethought should be considered reasonable?” “To what degree should we factor related consequences in judging the outcome of an action?” These questions were beyond the scope of this paper. The rules designed here are such that answers to the above questions would not invalidate them, but rather allow these rules to be incorporated into a larger moral framework.</div>
<br />
Lastly, there is the issue of the validity of the nonmoral value. Arguments can be made such that all actions, however trivial, are either moral or immoral. While ultimate resolution of this question is out of the scope of this paper, the rules can be modified to account for no nonmoral actions. Actions can still have nonmoral intentions, as intentions are based upon perception and the actor can fail to perceive any moral value to their intended goal. The outcome, however, will be either moral or immoral, since this is an objective assessment. Elimination of all rules with nonmoral outcomes and applying the rules results in the same ranking enumerated above, but with the nonmoral classed actions (5-8) removed. Alternatively, “nonmoral” can be replaced with “moral value unknown” to acknowledge the limitations of human knowledge in moral assessments.<br />
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"Scientist, Theoretician, Genius, Renegade Thinker. He wants us to take down a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">few</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/the_dead_are_dead.php">posts</a> by <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/dr_lanza_and_biocentrism_time_to_get_out.php">Orac</a> and myself. I guess he doesn't like being <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">compared to Grandpa Simpson</a>, or seeing <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/the_dead_are_dead.php">disagreement with his ideas about the afterlife</a>, or being <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/dr_lanza_and_biocentrism_time_to_get_out.php">exposed as a quantum woo-meister</a>.</div>
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Seed has a very clearcut policy on our posts, and there is going to 
be no attempt to censor any of them. Gee. So I'm not going to edit them.</div>
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I'd hate to think that anyone might link to this post, or to these presumably objectional posts <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">#1</a>, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/the_dead_are_dead.php">#2</a>, or <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/dr_lanza_and_biocentrism_time_to_get_out.php">#3</a>.&nbsp;</div>
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That might increase the likelihood that Google will return those links 
in searches for Robert Lanza.&nbsp;</div>
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Whatever you do, don't link to any of 
these posts about <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">Robert Lanza</a> on Scienceblogs!"</div>
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Seriously. PZ really, really doesn't want you to link the following posts. 



We've Angered Another Crackpot 



Grandpa Simpson Gets A Writing Gig



The Dead Are Dead



Dr. Robert Lanza and Biocentrism



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Seriously. PZ really, really doesn't want you to link the following posts. </div>
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<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/08/weve_angered_another_crackpot.php">We've Angered Another Crackpot </a></div>
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<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">Grandpa Simpson Gets A Writing Gig</a></div>
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<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/the_dead_are_dead.php">The Dead Are Dead</a></div>
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<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/dr_lanza_and_biocentrism_time_to_get_out.php">Dr. Robert Lanza and Biocentrism</a></div>
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"Scientist, Theoretician, Genius, Renegade Thinker. He wants us to take down a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">few</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/the_dead_are_dead.php">posts</a> by <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/dr_lanza_and_biocentrism_time_to_get_out.php">Orac</a> and myself. I guess he doesn't like being <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">compared to Grandpa Simpson</a>, or seeing <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/the_dead_are_dead.php">disagreement with his ideas about the afterlife</a>, or being <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/dr_lanza_and_biocentrism_time_to_get_out.php">exposed as a quantum woo-meister</a>.</div>
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Gosh, what will I do?</div>
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Seed has a very clearcut policy on our posts, and there is going to 
be no attempt to censor any of them. Gee. So I'm not going to edit them.</div>
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I'd hate to think that anyone might link to this post, or to these presumably objectional posts <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">#1</a>, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/the_dead_are_dead.php">#2</a>, or <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/dr_lanza_and_biocentrism_time_to_get_out.php">#3</a>.&nbsp;</div>
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That might increase the likelihood that Google will return those links 
in searches for Robert Lanza.&nbsp;</div>
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Whatever you do, don't link to any of 
these posts about <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/grandpa_simpson_gets_a_writing.php">Robert Lanza</a> on Scienceblogs!"</div>
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		<title>Moral Structure Part 2 by Drafterman of AvC</title>
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Defining the Rules



The 144 actions have been constructed by the blind and mindless process of considering all possible combinations of the available components. It is necessary to exclude some of these due to incoherence.



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<b>Defining the Rules</b></div>
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The 144 actions have been constructed by the blind and mindless process of considering all possible combinations of the available components. It is necessary to exclude some of these due to incoherence.</div>
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<i>Two rules of logic are established to do this:</i></div>
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<i>Rule of Logic 1</i>: If misjudgment, neglect, and chance are not factors, the moral value of the outcome will be the same as of the intent.</div>
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Whenever the moral value of an outcome differs from the moral value of the intent, there must be some cause. We have grouped all causes into the three categories of: misjudgment, neglect, chance. If these aren’t factors affecting the outcome of an action, then the moral value of that action cannot have been changed from the moral value of the intentions.</div>
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There are 12 violations of this rule.</div>
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<i>Rule of Logic 2:</i> Only chance can influence the outcome of an action with forethought. </div>
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As previously stated, forethought is defined as a process by which any resulting influence due to misjudgment and neglect are instead classified as influence due to chance. Alternatively, this can be restated that misjudgment and neglect are necessarily due to lack of sufficient forethought. In either case, the existence of forethought precludes the influence of misjudgment and neglect.</div>
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There are 54 violations of this rule.</div>
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<b>The Rules of Judgment</b></div>
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Factoring out the logically incoherent actions leaves 78.</div>
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<i>For those the following rules of Judgment are devised:</i></div>
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<i>Rule 1:</i> Actions with immoral intentions are judged as immoral.</div>
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Given the intended purpose of establishing a guideline for behavior, immoral actions will result in immoral outcomes except when affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance. None of those factors are reliable in preventing immoral intentions from being realized. As such, all actions with immoral intentions should be judged as immoral, regardless of outcome.</div>
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There are 26 applications of this rule.</div>
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<i>Rule 2:</i> Actions where misjudgment, neglect, and chance do not factor are judged according to their intent and outcome, both being of the same moral value.</div>
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In accordance with Rule of Logic 1, when misjudgment, neglect, and chance are not factors, then the outcome will invariable have the same moral value as the intentions. Such actions are to be judged in accordance with that moral value.</div>
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There are 4 applications of this rule.</div>
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<i>Rule 3:</i> Actions with forethought affected by chance are judged according to their intent.</div>
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As defined, forethought eliminates the effect of misjudgment and neglect. While elements of chance can be reduced, in quantity and magnitude, to a degree, they cannot be reliably eliminated. Since elements of chance are unpredictable and uncontrollable (predicted and controlled elements of chance would have been eliminated through adequate forethought), the actors should not be reasonable held responsible for them. Such actions are judged according to their intentions, regardless of outcome.</div>
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There are 6 applications of this rule.</div>
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<i>Rule 4:</i> Actions without forethought affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance are judged according to their intent or outcome, whichever is of least moral value.</div>
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When misjudgment and neglect are factors, they are necessarily a result of lack of forethought on the part of the actor, thus making him or her accountable. When chance is a factor in such situations, it is impossible to determine if such chance was unavoidable, since no forethought was taken to make that determination. In either case, the morality of such actions is determined by their outcome or intentions, whichever is least. This ensures that actors are not rewarded for actions which are accidentally made more moral, but held responsible for actions which are accidentally made less moral since the actor neglected to take reasonable precautions against such an occurrence.</div>
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There are 42 applications of this rule.&nbsp;</div>
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Continues ...</div>
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<a href="http://newatheism.blogspot.com/2010/07/moral-structure-part-1-by-drafterman-of.html">Introduction, Part 1.</a></div>
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To Be Continued With ....</div>
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Summary, Part 3.<br />
Conclusion, Part 4.<br />&nbsp;</div>
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Defining the Rules



The 144 actions have been constructed by the blind and mindless process of considering all possible combinations of the available components. It is necessary to exclude some of these due to incoherence.



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<b>Defining the Rules</b></div>
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The 144 actions have been constructed by the blind and mindless process of considering all possible combinations of the available components. It is necessary to exclude some of these due to incoherence.</div>
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<i>Two rules of logic are established to do this:</i></div>
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<i><b>Rules of Logic</b></i></div>
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<i>Rule of Logic 1</i>: If misjudgment, neglect, and chance are not factors, the moral value of the outcome will be the same as of the intent.</div>
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Whenever the moral value of an outcome differs from the moral value of the intent, there must be some cause. We have grouped all causes into the three categories of: misjudgment, neglect, chance. If these aren’t factors affecting the outcome of an action, then the moral value of that action cannot have been changed from the moral value of the intentions.</div>
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There are 12 violations of this rule.</div>
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<i>Rule of Logic 2:</i> Only chance can influence the outcome of an action with forethought. </div>
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As previously stated, forethought is defined as a process by which any resulting influence due to misjudgment and neglect are instead classified as influence due to chance. Alternatively, this can be restated that misjudgment and neglect are necessarily due to lack of sufficient forethought. In either case, the existence of forethought precludes the influence of misjudgment and neglect.</div>
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There are 54 violations of this rule.</div>
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<b>The Rules of Judgment</b></div>
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Factoring out the logically incoherent actions leaves 78.</div>
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<i>For those the following rules of Judgment are devised:</i></div>
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<i>Rule 1:</i> Actions with immoral intentions are judged as immoral.</div>
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Given the intended purpose of establishing a guideline for behavior, immoral actions will result in immoral outcomes except when affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance. None of those factors are reliable in preventing immoral intentions from being realized. As such, all actions with immoral intentions should be judged as immoral, regardless of outcome.</div>
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There are 26 applications of this rule.</div>
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<i>Rule 2:</i> Actions where misjudgment, neglect, and chance do not factor are judged according to their intent and outcome, both being of the same moral value.</div>
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In accordance with Rule of Logic 1, when misjudgment, neglect, and chance are not factors, then the outcome will invariable have the same moral value as the intentions. Such actions are to be judged in accordance with that moral value.</div>
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There are 4 applications of this rule.</div>
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<i>Rule 3:</i> Actions with forethought affected by chance are judged according to their intent.</div>
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As defined, forethought eliminates the effect of misjudgment and neglect. While elements of chance can be reduced, in quantity and magnitude, to a degree, they cannot be reliably eliminated. Since elements of chance are unpredictable and uncontrollable (predicted and controlled elements of chance would have been eliminated through adequate forethought), the actors should not be reasonable held responsible for them. Such actions are judged according to their intentions, regardless of outcome.</div>
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There are 6 applications of this rule.</div>
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<i>Rule 4:</i> Actions without forethought affected by misjudgment, neglect, or chance are judged according to their intent or outcome, whichever is of least moral value.</div>
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When misjudgment and neglect are factors, they are necessarily a result of lack of forethought on the part of the actor, thus making him or her accountable. When chance is a factor in such situations, it is impossible to determine if such chance was unavoidable, since no forethought was taken to make that determination. In either case, the morality of such actions is determined by their outcome or intentions, whichever is least. This ensures that actors are not rewarded for actions which are accidentally made more moral, but held responsible for actions which are accidentally made less moral since the actor neglected to take reasonable precautions against such an occurrence.</div>
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There are 42 applications of this rule.&nbsp;</div>
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Continues ...</div>
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<a href="http://newatheism.blogspot.com/2010/07/moral-structure-part-1-by-drafterman-of.html">Introduction, Part 1.</a></div>
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To Be Continued With ....</div>
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Summary, Part 3.<br />
Conclusion, Part 4.<br />&nbsp;</div>
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Introduction





Definition of Morality
For the purposes of this paper, morality will be defined as a normative “code of conduct that, given s...]]></description>
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Introduction<br />
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<b>Definition of Morality</b><br />
For the purposes of this paper, morality will be defined as a normative “code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.”[1] This definition establishes a goal of a pragmatic universal ethic. It is pragmatic in that this code can be used, in practice, as a guideline for determining what should and should not due. It is universal in that it applies to all people.<br />
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<b>Meta-ethics</b><br />
In attainment of the above goal, this paper will deal with meta-ethics. Associations between specific simple actions (killing, stealing, lying, etc) and their moral values are beyond the scope of this paper. This paper will discuss the morality of how people go about realizing their moral goals. The existence of a moral dictionary, where specific actions are assigned moral values, will be assumed. The actions discussed will reference the assumed moral value of their components, without reference to specific acts. The purpose in doing so is to provide a way of answering such questions as: “Do the ends justify the means?” and “Are intentions all that matter?” Given the intention, the means, and the consequences of an action, this paper will present a method for judging their overall morality.<br />
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<b>Moral Values</b><br />
The moral values used in this paper will be: Moral, nonmoral, and immoral. In the context of universal pragmatism, these values are defined as such:<br />
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<i>Moral </i>– Actions people are encouraged to take and praised or rewarded for taking.<br />
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<i>Immoral </i>– Actions people are dissuaded from taking and punished or scolded for taking.<br />
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<i>Nonmoral </i>– Actions that are neither encouraged nor dissuaded and neither rewarded or punished.<br />
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<b>Composition of an Action</b><br />
It is necessary to define what constitutes an action in the context paper. Actions will consist of the following components: <i>Intention, Forethought, Outcome/Consequences and Outside Influences</i>. For each action a <i>Judgment </i>will be rendered as to its overall morality.<br />
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<i>Intention</i><br />
Intention, will, or desire, is the cause of all morally relevant actions. For all such actions that people engage in, there is an intended goal. The morality of the intention is the perceived morality of the goal. If the actor has failed to consider the morality of their action, or is unable to determine the moral value of their intended goal, then their intentions are considered nonmoral, though the outcome and subsequent judgment may be different.<br />
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<i>Forethought</i><br />
Forethought involves reasoning that goes into the decision to engage upon an action beyond the trivial desire to do it. This includes validating, through rational means, the judgment of the morality of the goal; the consideration of what actions are required to bring about that goal, what other consequences those actions may have, as well as the direct consequences of achieving this goal; and what factors beyond our ability to directly control could affect the goal and how those factors can be mitigated.<br />
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<i>Outcome/Consequences</i><br />
The outcome, or consequences, of the act pertains to the overall, net morality of the action with regards to its consequences, direct or indirect; intended or unintended.<br />
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<i>Influence of Misjudgment, Neglect, and Chance</i><br />
Of the factors ideally considered in adequate forethought, which affected the outcome of the action? Did the actor misjudge the morality of his goal? Did the actor neglect to consider certain side-effects? Did chance or other factors outside the actor’s control interfere?<br />
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<i>Judgment of Actions</i><br />
Finally, the purpose is to take, as input, all of the above components of an action and to judge the action as a whole as moral, nonmoral, or immoral. In the following sections a method will be devised to this.<br />
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<i>Summary</i><br />
Based on the above components, we can construct all possible actions. Intentions have three possibilities: moral, nonmoral, or&nbsp; immoral; Forethought can be performed or not; The outcome can be moral, nonmoral, or immoral; and misjudgment, neglect, and chance can each have an impact or not. This results in 144 possible combinations of actions, though not all are logically coherent.[2]<br />
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<i>Caveats</i><br />
In regarding forethought and the consideration of consequences we are limited by practical measures such as time and knowledge. For the purposes of this paper we will define forethought taken to be of a reasonable degree, such that if misjudgment and neglect are a factor, they should instead be considered elements of chance, outside the control of the actor. Consequences are a similar manner. Consequences don’t exist in a vacuum; for any given action the number of consequences can be considered infinite, depending on the degrees of indirectness that are factored. Again, we will use an undefined standard of reason and assume that the outcome has been defined as moral, nonmoral, or immoral in accordance with this standard.<br />
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To Be Continued With ...<br />
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Defining The Rules, Part 2.<br />
Summary, Part 3.<br />
Conclusion, Part 4.<br />
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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Definition of Morality
For the purposes of this paper, morality will be defined as a normative “code of conduct that, given s...]]></description>
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Introduction<br />
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<b>Definition of Morality</b><br />
For the purposes of this paper, morality will be defined as a normative “code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.”[1] This definition establishes a goal of a pragmatic universal ethic. It is pragmatic in that this code can be used, in practice, as a guideline for determining what should and should not due. It is universal in that it applies to all people.<br />
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<b>Meta-ethics</b><br />
In attainment of the above goal, this paper will deal with meta-ethics. Associations between specific simple actions (killing, stealing, lying, etc) and their moral values are beyond the scope of this paper. This paper will discuss the morality of how people go about realizing their moral goals. The existence of a moral dictionary, where specific actions are assigned moral values, will be assumed. The actions discussed will reference the assumed moral value of their components, without reference to specific acts. The purpose in doing so is to provide a way of answering such questions as: “Do the ends justify the means?” and “Are intentions all that matter?” Given the intention, the means, and the consequences of an action, this paper will present a method for judging their overall morality.<br />
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<b>Moral Values</b><br />
The moral values used in this paper will be: Moral, nonmoral, and immoral. In the context of universal pragmatism, these values are defined as such:<br />
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<i>Moral </i>– Actions people are encouraged to take and praised or rewarded for taking.<br />
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<i>Immoral </i>– Actions people are dissuaded from taking and punished or scolded for taking.<br />
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<i>Nonmoral </i>– Actions that are neither encouraged nor dissuaded and neither rewarded or punished.<br />
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<b>Composition of an Action</b><br />
It is necessary to define what constitutes an action in the context paper. Actions will consist of the following components: <i>Intention, Forethought, Outcome/Consequences and Outside Influences</i>. For each action a <i>Judgment </i>will be rendered as to its overall morality.<br />
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<i>Intention</i><br />
Intention, will, or desire, is the cause of all morally relevant actions. For all such actions that people engage in, there is an intended goal. The morality of the intention is the perceived morality of the goal. If the actor has failed to consider the morality of their action, or is unable to determine the moral value of their intended goal, then their intentions are considered nonmoral, though the outcome and subsequent judgment may be different.<br />
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<i>Forethought</i><br />
Forethought involves reasoning that goes into the decision to engage upon an action beyond the trivial desire to do it. This includes validating, through rational means, the judgment of the morality of the goal; the consideration of what actions are required to bring about that goal, what other consequences those actions may have, as well as the direct consequences of achieving this goal; and what factors beyond our ability to directly control could affect the goal and how those factors can be mitigated.<br />
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<i>Outcome/Consequences</i><br />
The outcome, or consequences, of the act pertains to the overall, net morality of the action with regards to its consequences, direct or indirect; intended or unintended.<br />
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<i>Influence of Misjudgment, Neglect, and Chance</i><br />
Of the factors ideally considered in adequate forethought, which affected the outcome of the action? Did the actor misjudge the morality of his goal? Did the actor neglect to consider certain side-effects? Did chance or other factors outside the actor’s control interfere?<br />
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<i>Judgment of Actions</i><br />
Finally, the purpose is to take, as input, all of the above components of an action and to judge the action as a whole as moral, nonmoral, or immoral. In the following sections a method will be devised to this.<br />
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<i>Summary</i><br />
Based on the above components, we can construct all possible actions. Intentions have three possibilities: moral, nonmoral, or&nbsp; immoral; Forethought can be performed or not; The outcome can be moral, nonmoral, or immoral; and misjudgment, neglect, and chance can each have an impact or not. This results in 144 possible combinations of actions, though not all are logically coherent.[2]<br />
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<i>Caveats</i><br />
In regarding forethought and the consideration of consequences we are limited by practical measures such as time and knowledge. For the purposes of this paper we will define forethought taken to be of a reasonable degree, such that if misjudgment and neglect are a factor, they should instead be considered elements of chance, outside the control of the actor. Consequences are a similar manner. Consequences don’t exist in a vacuum; for any given action the number of consequences can be considered infinite, depending on the degrees of indirectness that are factored. Again, we will use an undefined standard of reason and assume that the outcome has been defined as moral, nonmoral, or immoral in accordance with this standard.<br />
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To Be Continued With ...<br />
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Defining The Rules, Part 2.<br />
Summary, Part 3.<br />
Conclusion, Part 4.<br />
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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I was recently having a discussion with a Christian on the issue of Canada's Anti-Spanking law which was inspired by a Christian Biblical Literalist family who believed that whipping and caning their six children daily was required by their religion.</div>
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My position is essentially that the Anti-Spanking law recognizes the Rights of the Child which was established by:</div>
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1. <a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/UN-human/">The Universal Declaration of Rights, 1948</a>.</div>
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Article 25. "2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection."</div>
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2. <a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/UN-declaration/">The Universal Declaration of the Rights of the Child, 1959</a> and to which most Western countries are signatories.</div>
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Principle 9. "The child shall be protected against all forms of neglect, cruelty and exploitation."</div>
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3. <a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/UN-convention/">The International Convention on the Rights of the Child (a binding treaty to all signatories), 1989</a> and to which 129 (mostly) Western countries are signatories.</div>
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Article 14. Item 3. "3. Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals, or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others."</div>
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Article 19. Item 1. "States Parties shall take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect the child from all forms of physical or mental violence, injury or abuse, neglect or negligent treatment, maltreatment or exploitation, including sexual abuse, while in the care of parent(s), legal guardian(s) or any other person who has the care of the child."</div>
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The Christian's position is nicely summarized in the following paragraph which is a direct quote.</div>
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"Need I remind you? - I'm not the one advocating that my personal morality should be forced upon others. Your friends are. But of course, it's okay now - because it's *<b>your</b>* views being forced - as opposed to the fundamentalists on the either side of the spectrum."</div>
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My response to the above statement:</div>
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"I've been giving this some thought and while I still don't think continuing the discussion would be productive, here are my thoughts anyway.</div>
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While (name removed)&nbsp;<name removed=""> isn't right, he isn't completely wrong either.</name></div>
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The concept of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_Man">"Rights of Man" (Thomas Paine)</a> <b>is </b>a view which is being <i>imposed</i>&nbsp;by Secular society.</div>
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However, it's being <i>imposed</i>&nbsp;through International and Civil Law.</div>
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Unlike, religious dogma, the Secular State doesn't <i>impose</i> through violence or authoritarianism. It does so through the Rule of Law while recognizing the rights of all in the context of what is being <i>imposed, </i><b>including religious rights</b>.</div>
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So, this is one critical difference which (name removed)&nbsp;<name removed=""> doesn't appear to recognize.</name></div>
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Another critical difference is in the content of the views and the value judgment that we place on those views <i>as a culture</i>.</div>
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The view that we are <i>imposing</i>&nbsp;through Law is one that recognizes the rights of <b>all</b>&nbsp;and establishes the position that each and every human being has Natural Rights (Thomas Paine) that those rights are inviolable by any belief, social system, culture, etc.</div>
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This view <b>is</b>&nbsp;diametrically opposed to <b>any</b>&nbsp;dogmatic belief system like religion, communism, fascism, etc. &nbsp;because it raises the Rights of the Individual above the Rights of the Belief, Organization, State, et al.</div>
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So, while Freedom of Religion is recognized under this concept, that freedom cannot and will not be allowed to trump the Natural Rights held by individual human beings including children.</div>
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This is the second critical difference that (name removed)&nbsp;<name removed=""> doesn't appear to recognize.</name></div>
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That is, <b>this</b>&nbsp;concept enshrines the rights of all individuals whereas if religion were to impose its values on the non-religious, <b>it's</b> concepts <b>only</b>&nbsp;recognize it's religious rights and not the rights of all individuals, particularly where the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions are concerned.<br />
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This is the core of the fight going on right now between the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic extremists and the Secular Western State.<br />
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It's most obvious right now with the Islamists and their demand to restrict Freedom of Speech on the grounds that everyone should be required to follow their belief system by not "offending" them.</div>
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Yes. This is the real crux of their argument.</div>
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It's&nbsp;<i>offensive</i>&nbsp;to them, that non-Muslims don't follow their beliefs and therefore we should be required to &nbsp;follow their beliefs by not depicting Muhammed in an image.</div>
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The Christians have recently hopped on to this bandwagon, with their campaign to prevent the release of the &nbsp;new series on&nbsp;<a href="http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/general/view/20100604outrage_over_comedy_centrals_planned_show_depicting_modern-day_jesus_in_nyc_critics_rip_christ_cartoon/">Comedy Central, called J.C</a>,&nbsp;which will be poking some light-hearted fun at the Messiah and Dear Ole Dad.</div>
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Of course, the grounds are the same as the one's the Islamists give and the demand for accommodation is the same despite the rather hypocritical Christian objections when the Islamists do it.</div>
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No-one, according to these self-righteous souls, should be able to watch the show because it <i>offends </i>Christians.</div>
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<b><i>The entire point of Freedom of Speech is to protect offensive speech. That is, the right of all of us to give expression to controversial positions on any topic.</i></b></div>
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This argument that the free speech of&nbsp;<b>all&nbsp;</b>should be curtailed on the grounds that it's offensive to the religious is absurd at best and insidious at worst.</div>
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It's nothing more than an underhanded attempt to impose religious values on the non-religious, or those of other religions, through the back door.</div>
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If the Islamist extremists aren't allowed to see personifications of Muhammed they don't have to read those newspapers that depict such personifications and if Christians are offended by a show like J.C, they don't have to watch it.</div>
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To demand that others can't&nbsp;<b>is&nbsp;</b>imposing their religious values on all of us.</div>
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The reasons why religious dogma would consider this an imposition and object to it are rather obvious.</div>
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To tie this in to the other topic we were discussing, this is also precisely <b>why</b>&nbsp;Interculturalism is a much better concept and <b>why</b>&nbsp;Multiculturalism is racist and divisive. The concepts are the same.</div>
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<b>Interculturalism </b>is founded on the concept of Inclusion and places civil law over and above <b>all</b>&nbsp;cultural and social beliefs, thereby removing cultural relativism as an option.<br />
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However, it does this within the context of recognizing the right of all to follow their culture as long as those cultural beliefs do not contravene existing law and/or violate anyone else's civil rights..</div>
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<b>Multiculturalism </b>is founded on the concept of Diversity and imposes cultural relativism.</div>
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The exception to this occurs in situations where <b>certain</b>&nbsp;(not all) criminal laws are violated. Other laws can be violated on the grounds of&nbsp;<b>accommodationism</b>.</div>
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However, this is inconsistently applied since by definition, not accommodating these beliefs (religious or cultural) is in contradiction to the fundamental concept of Multiculturalism.<br />
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These critical differences are based on the fundamental concepts advocated by each belief system.<br />
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<b>Secularism and Interculturalism is Inclusive and speaks to the rights of all, religious and non-religious.</b><br />
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<b>Multiculturalism and Religious accommodation are, by definition, culturally and religiously relativistic.</b><br />
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I was recently having a discussion with a Christian on the issue of Canada's Anti-Spanking law which was inspired by a Christian Biblical Literalist family who believed that whipping and caning their six children daily was required by their religion....]]></description>
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I was recently having a discussion with a Christian on the issue of Canada's Anti-Spanking law which was inspired by a Christian Biblical Literalist family who believed that whipping and caning their six children daily was required by their religion.</div>
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My position is essentially that the Anti-Spanking law recognizes the Rights of the Child which was established by:</div>
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1. <a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/UN-human/">The Universal Declaration of Rights, 1948</a>.</div>
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Article 25. "2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection."</div>
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2. <a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/UN-declaration/">The Universal Declaration of the Rights of the Child, 1959</a> and to which most Western countries are signatories.</div>
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Principle 9. "The child shall be protected against all forms of neglect, cruelty and exploitation."</div>
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3. <a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/UN-convention/">The International Convention on the Rights of the Child (a binding treaty to all signatories), 1989</a> and to which 129 (mostly) Western countries are signatories.</div>
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Article 14. Item 3. "3. Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals, or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others."</div>
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Article 19. Item 1. "States Parties shall take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect the child from all forms of physical or mental violence, injury or abuse, neglect or negligent treatment, maltreatment or exploitation, including sexual abuse, while in the care of parent(s), legal guardian(s) or any other person who has the care of the child."</div>
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The Christian's position is nicely summarized in the following paragraph which is a direct quote.</div>
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"Need I remind you? - I'm not the one advocating that my personal morality should be forced upon others. Your friends are. But of course, it's okay now - because it's *<b>your</b>* views being forced - as opposed to the fundamentalists on the either side of the spectrum."</div>
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My response to the above statement:</div>
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"I've been giving this some thought and while I still don't think continuing the discussion would be productive, here are my thoughts anyway.</div>
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While (name removed)&nbsp;<name removed=""> isn't right, he isn't completely wrong either.</name></div>
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The concept of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_Man">"Rights of Man" (Thomas Paine)</a> <b>is </b>a view which is being <i>imposed</i>&nbsp;by Secular society.</div>
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However, it's being <i>imposed</i>&nbsp;through International and Civil Law.</div>
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Unlike, religious dogma, the Secular State doesn't <i>impose</i> through violence or authoritarianism. It does so through the Rule of Law while recognizing the rights of all in the context of what is being <i>imposed, </i><b>including religious rights</b>.</div>
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So, this is one critical difference which (name removed)&nbsp;<name removed=""> doesn't appear to recognize.</name></div>
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Another critical difference is in the content of the views and the value judgment that we place on those views <i>as a culture</i>.</div>
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The view that we are <i>imposing</i>&nbsp;through Law is one that recognizes the rights of <b>all</b>&nbsp;and establishes the position that each and every human being has Natural Rights (Thomas Paine) that those rights are inviolable by any belief, social system, culture, etc.</div>
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This view <b>is</b>&nbsp;diametrically opposed to <b>any</b>&nbsp;dogmatic belief system like religion, communism, fascism, etc. &nbsp;because it raises the Rights of the Individual above the Rights of the Belief, Organization, State, et al.</div>
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So, while Freedom of Religion is recognized under this concept, that freedom cannot and will not be allowed to trump the Natural Rights held by individual human beings including children.</div>
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This is the second critical difference that (name removed)&nbsp;<name removed=""> doesn't appear to recognize.</name></div>
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That is, <b>this</b>&nbsp;concept enshrines the rights of all individuals whereas if religion were to impose its values on the non-religious, <b>it's</b> concepts <b>only</b>&nbsp;recognize it's religious rights and not the rights of all individuals, particularly where the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions are concerned.<br />
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This is the core of the fight going on right now between the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic extremists and the Secular Western State.<br />
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It's most obvious right now with the Islamists and their demand to restrict Freedom of Speech on the grounds that everyone should be required to follow their belief system by not "offending" them.</div>
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Yes. This is the real crux of their argument.</div>
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It's&nbsp;<i>offensive</i>&nbsp;to them, that non-Muslims don't follow their beliefs and therefore we should be required to &nbsp;follow their beliefs by not depicting Muhammed in an image.</div>
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The Christians have recently hopped on to this bandwagon, with their campaign to prevent the release of the &nbsp;new series on&nbsp;<a href="http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/general/view/20100604outrage_over_comedy_centrals_planned_show_depicting_modern-day_jesus_in_nyc_critics_rip_christ_cartoon/">Comedy Central, called J.C</a>,&nbsp;which will be poking some light-hearted fun at the Messiah and Dear Ole Dad.</div>
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Of course, the grounds are the same as the one's the Islamists give and the demand for accommodation is the same despite the rather hypocritical Christian objections when the Islamists do it.</div>
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No-one, according to these self-righteous souls, should be able to watch the show because it <i>offends </i>Christians.</div>
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<b><i>The entire point of Freedom of Speech is to protect offensive speech. That is, the right of all of us to give expression to controversial positions on any topic.</i></b></div>
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This argument that the free speech of&nbsp;<b>all&nbsp;</b>should be curtailed on the grounds that it's offensive to the religious is absurd at best and insidious at worst.</div>
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It's nothing more than an underhanded attempt to impose religious values on the non-religious, or those of other religions, through the back door.</div>
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If the Islamist extremists aren't allowed to see personifications of Muhammed they don't have to read those newspapers that depict such personifications and if Christians are offended by a show like J.C, they don't have to watch it.</div>
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To demand that others can't&nbsp;<b>is&nbsp;</b>imposing their religious values on all of us.</div>
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The reasons why religious dogma would consider this an imposition and object to it are rather obvious.</div>
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To tie this in to the other topic we were discussing, this is also precisely <b>why</b>&nbsp;Interculturalism is a much better concept and <b>why</b>&nbsp;Multiculturalism is racist and divisive. The concepts are the same.</div>
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<b>Interculturalism </b>is founded on the concept of Inclusion and places civil law over and above <b>all</b>&nbsp;cultural and social beliefs, thereby removing cultural relativism as an option.<br />
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However, it does this within the context of recognizing the right of all to follow their culture as long as those cultural beliefs do not contravene existing law and/or violate anyone else's civil rights..</div>
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<b>Multiculturalism </b>is founded on the concept of Diversity and imposes cultural relativism.</div>
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The exception to this occurs in situations where <b>certain</b>&nbsp;(not all) criminal laws are violated. Other laws can be violated on the grounds of&nbsp;<b>accommodationism</b>.</div>
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However, this is inconsistently applied since by definition, not accommodating these beliefs (religious or cultural) is in contradiction to the fundamental concept of Multiculturalism.<br />
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These critical differences are based on the fundamental concepts advocated by each belief system.<br />
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<b>Secularism and Interculturalism is Inclusive and speaks to the rights of all, religious and non-religious.</b><br />
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<b>Multiculturalism and Religious accommodation are, by definition, culturally and religiously relativistic.</b><br />
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		<title>Ode to the Spirit of William Lloyd Garrison</title>
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by Danny Boy of AvC



So why play I in adverse air?

What else could such a climate bear---

When all societies find root,

In dualistic institute?



Might I have erred?---it may well be,

But that is not the point, you see:

When social matters p...]]></description>
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by Danny Boy of AvC</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
So why play I in adverse air?</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
What else could such a climate bear---</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
When all societies find root,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
In dualistic institute?</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Might I have erred?---it may well be,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
But that is not the point, you see:</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
When social matters polarize,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
We all may gain, and all may rise.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
When insipid faith deride,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
'Tis in defense of rights denied.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
In claiming that *I* persecute,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
The sheep cry, "Wolf!" in false repute.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
For ever they when foul is feigned,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Blind and deaf, by dogma chained,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Overlook *their* bigotry,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Convinced of their hegemony.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Throughout this score of centuries,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Their church our rights and freedoms seized.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Thus when objectively astute,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
One finds 'tis *they* who persecute.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Most sit on fences 'tween world views,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
The unknown feared and loath to choose;</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Just *speaking* of that which divides,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Is of more consequence than sides.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Our ignorance can live quite long,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
In silent shadows far prolonged,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Through generations of our young,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Whose new ideas remain unsung.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
But with our prejudices fled,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Now dragged into the light instead,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Our ignorance can live no more,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Its fallacies brought to the fore.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
And so I'll play my adverse part,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
That I my manner may impart.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Though passionate and coarse I be,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
'Tis rooted in sincerity.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
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by Danny Boy of AvC



So why play I in adverse air?

What else could such a climate bear---

When all societies find root,

In dualistic institute?



Might I have erred?---it may well be,

But that is not the point, you see:

When social matters p...]]></description>
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<div style="text-align: center;">
by Danny Boy of AvC</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
So why play I in adverse air?</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
What else could such a climate bear---</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
When all societies find root,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
In dualistic institute?</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Might I have erred?---it may well be,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
But that is not the point, you see:</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
When social matters polarize,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
We all may gain, and all may rise.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
When insipid faith deride,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
'Tis in defense of rights denied.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
In claiming that *I* persecute,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
The sheep cry, "Wolf!" in false repute.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
For ever they when foul is feigned,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Blind and deaf, by dogma chained,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Overlook *their* bigotry,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Convinced of their hegemony.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Throughout this score of centuries,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Their church our rights and freedoms seized.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Thus when objectively astute,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
One finds 'tis *they* who persecute.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Most sit on fences 'tween world views,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
The unknown feared and loath to choose;</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Just *speaking* of that which divides,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Is of more consequence than sides.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Our ignorance can live quite long,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
In silent shadows far prolonged,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Through generations of our young,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Whose new ideas remain unsung.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
But with our prejudices fled,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Now dragged into the light instead,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Our ignorance can live no more,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Its fallacies brought to the fore.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
And so I'll play my adverse part,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
That I my manner may impart.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
Though passionate and coarse I be,</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
'Tis rooted in sincerity.</div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
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		<title>Celebrate Atheist Solidarity Day June 21, 2010</title>
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Atheist Solidarity Site

Atheist Solidarity Facebook Page

From their Facebook Page.
Description:
This is a simple campaign with one main objective: to have atheists everywhere on Facebook put a tiny atheist solidarity ribbon (one side black other...]]></description>
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<a href="http://www.atheistsolidarity.com/">Atheist Solidarity Site</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=131843523498033">Atheist Solidarity Facebook Page</a><br />
<br />
From their Facebook Page.<br />
Description:<br />
This is a simple campaign with one main objective: to have atheists everywhere on Facebook put a tiny atheist solidarity ribbon (one side black other side scarlet red) on their profile image to identify themselves as an atheist. It doesn't have to be big or distracting. It could be just a tiny little ribbon in the corner.<br />
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This campaign WILL:<br />
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-*ELIMINATE STEREOTYPES* about atheists as others see and recognize atheists all throughout Facebook<br />
-Show others that *ATHEISTS ARE EVERYWHERE* and come with many different personalities and from all around the world<br />
-Provide a means to other atheists who feel it necessary to hide their atheism to *FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE COMING OUT* as others around him/her come out<br />
-Help *UNITE ATHEISTS*, as it will be easier to find others who are also atheists<br />
<br />
This group's photo section will be used as a collection of user contributed renditions of the ribbon only. This collection could then be used as a place where atheists can pick a style of ribbon that best fits onto their profile picture.<br />
<br />
To get atheist ribbon pictures with transparent backgrounds so you can easily add it on top of profile pictures see:&nbsp;http://bit.ly/aQ8goS<br />
<br />
INVITE OTHERS TO THE GROUP TO ENSURE THE CAMPAIGN SUCCEEDS"<br />
<br />
I think this is a great idea! Go Mike!<br />
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		<title>Celebrate Atheist Solidarity Day June 21, 2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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Atheist Solidarity Site

Atheist Solidarity Facebook Page

From their Facebook Page.
Description:
This is a simple campaign with one main objective: to have atheists everywhere on Facebook put a tiny atheist solidarity ribbon (one side black other...]]></description>
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<a href="http://www.atheistsolidarity.com/">Atheist Solidarity Site</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=131843523498033">Atheist Solidarity Facebook Page</a><br />
<br />
From their Facebook Page.<br />
Description:<br />
This is a simple campaign with one main objective: to have atheists everywhere on Facebook put a tiny atheist solidarity ribbon (one side black other side scarlet red) on their profile image to identify themselves as an atheist. It doesn't have to be big or distracting. It could be just a tiny little ribbon in the corner.<br />
<br />
This campaign WILL:<br />
<br />
-*ELIMINATE STEREOTYPES* about atheists as others see and recognize atheists all throughout Facebook<br />
-Show others that *ATHEISTS ARE EVERYWHERE* and come with many different personalities and from all around the world<br />
-Provide a means to other atheists who feel it necessary to hide their atheism to *FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE COMING OUT* as others around him/her come out<br />
-Help *UNITE ATHEISTS*, as it will be easier to find others who are also atheists<br />
<br />
This group's photo section will be used as a collection of user contributed renditions of the ribbon only. This collection could then be used as a place where atheists can pick a style of ribbon that best fits onto their profile picture.<br />
<br />
To get atheist ribbon pictures with transparent backgrounds so you can easily add it on top of profile pictures see:&nbsp;http://bit.ly/aQ8goS<br />
<br />
INVITE OTHERS TO THE GROUP TO ENSURE THE CAMPAIGN SUCCEEDS"<br />
<br />
I think this is a great idea! Go Mike!<br />
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		<title>CNN&#8217;s Belief Blog. What about the atheists?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 13:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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I received the following interesting tidbit from a reader and thought others might be interested. I'll be interested in seeing how this progresses.




Thanks for the heads up, Simon!




From Simon:




I recently got a chance to interview Dan Gilgo...]]></description>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I received the following interesting tidbit from a reader and thought others might be interested. I'll be interested in seeing how this progresses.</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br /></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Thanks for the heads up, Simon!</span></div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">From <a href="http://bloggasm.com/new-cnn-belief-blogger-says-hell-give-voice-to-atheist-and-nonbeliever-issues">Simon</a>:</span></div>
<br />
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br /></span></div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div style="text-align: justify;">
I recently got a chance to interview Dan Gilgoff, who's heading up CNN's new Belief blog. I asked him about whether the blog plans on giving voice to atheist views and criticism of religion. I'd say his response was a mixed bag:</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<a href="http://bloggasm.com/new-cnn-belief-blogger-says-hell-give-voice-to-atheist-and-nonbeliever-issues" style="color: #2a5db0;" >http://bloggasm.com/new-cnn-<wbr></wbr>belief-blogger-says-hell-give-<wbr></wbr>voice-to-atheist-and-<wbr></wbr>nonbeliever-issues</a></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Anyway, I thought this was something you and your readers would find interesting.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
take care,</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Simon</div>
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I received the following interesting tidbit from a reader and thought others might be interested. I'll be interested in seeing how this progresses.




Thanks for the heads up, Simon!




From Simon:




I recently got a chance to interview Dan Gilgo...]]></description>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I received the following interesting tidbit from a reader and thought others might be interested. I'll be interested in seeing how this progresses.</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br /></span></div>
<br />
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Thanks for the heads up, Simon!</span></div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
</span><br />
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">From <a href="http://bloggasm.com/new-cnn-belief-blogger-says-hell-give-voice-to-atheist-and-nonbeliever-issues">Simon</a>:</span></div>
<br />
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br /></span></div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div style="text-align: justify;">
I recently got a chance to interview Dan Gilgoff, who's heading up CNN's new Belief blog. I asked him about whether the blog plans on giving voice to atheist views and criticism of religion. I'd say his response was a mixed bag:</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<a href="http://bloggasm.com/new-cnn-belief-blogger-says-hell-give-voice-to-atheist-and-nonbeliever-issues" style="color: #2a5db0;" >http://bloggasm.com/new-cnn-<wbr></wbr>belief-blogger-says-hell-give-<wbr></wbr>voice-to-atheist-and-<wbr></wbr>nonbeliever-issues</a></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Anyway, I thought this was something you and your readers would find interesting.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
take care,</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Simon</div>
<span style="color: #888888;"><div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
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My contribution to Draw Mohammed Day follows.



Okay ... I know I'm not an artist and it's just a cut and paste compilation but we all have to start somewhere :-).



The Pansies are the traditional symbol of FreeThought which is why I added them to...]]></description>
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Okay ... I know I'm not an artist and it's just a cut and paste compilation but we all have to start somewhere :-).</div>
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The Pansies are the traditional symbol of FreeThought which is why I added them to the bottom of the picture.</div>
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The image of Mohammed is a cut and paste of another image located in one my previous posts.</div>
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In case, it's difficult to read, the caption says: Religious freedom? or FreeThought? Free Speech protects us all.</div>
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Yes it's tame compared to the usual stuff I post but apparently it's still "evil". I decided to go for a tame image in order to make precisely that point.</div>
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My contribution to Draw Mohammed Day follows.



Okay ... I know I'm not an artist and it's just a cut and paste compilation but we all have to start somewhere :-).



The Pansies are the traditional symbol of FreeThought which is why I added them to...]]></description>
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Okay ... I know I'm not an artist and it's just a cut and paste compilation but we all have to start somewhere :-).</div>
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The Pansies are the traditional symbol of FreeThought which is why I added them to the bottom of the picture.</div>
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The image of Mohammed is a cut and paste of another image located in one my previous posts.</div>
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In case, it's difficult to read, the caption says: Religious freedom? or FreeThought? Free Speech protects us all.</div>
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Yes it's tame compared to the usual stuff I post but apparently it's still "evil". I decided to go for a tame image in order to make precisely that point.</div>
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<b>I find it quite despicable that the Churches not only actively cover up and enable pedophilia and child abuse but maliciously persecute/punish those priests who do object and do speak out against the Churches cover ups and enabling of these criminal acts against children.</b></div>
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<b>Father Tom Doyle of the Catholic Church and Reverend Kevin Annett of the United Church of Canada are but two examples.</b></div>
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<b>In the case of the Aboriginal children in the Indian Residential Schools what occurred far exceeded child abuse and crossed the line into child torture and genocide which continued into the 1970s.</b></div>
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<b>It also appears to have been a deliberate and conscious policy at the highest levels of both church and state.</b></div>
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<b>The following statement was issued by the Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared, Canada</b></div>
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<b>I wish them much success in this endeavor and encourage others to support them and participate in this historic and very important event.</b></div>
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<b>Help Us Remove the Gag from Survivors of Genocide in Canada:</b></div>
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<b>Participate in our Peoples' Inquiry into Residential Schools on June 15 in Winnipeg - Put and End to the Government and Church Coverup known as the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission"</b></div>
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<b>Issued by the Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared, Canada</b></div>
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<b>May 1, 2010</b></div>
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<b>Dear friends,</b></div>
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<b>For nearly two decades, in the face of enormous repression and concealment by church and state, our network has documented the stories of torture, genocide and murder by survivors of Indian residential schools across Canada, and has forced this issue onto the national political agenda.</b></div>
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<b>In response, the groups responsible for the death of nearly half the children in these institutions - the government of Canada and the Catholic, Anglican and United Church - have exonerated themselves from their crimes and established their own "truth and reconciliation commission" (TRC) to whitewash their responsibility for clearly intentional crimes against humanity.</b></div>
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<b>This "TRC" is in essence an enormous miscarriage of justice.</b></div>
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<b>The TRC has no power to lay criminal charges or issue subpoenas, will not allow the naming of names or presenting of evidence of wrongdoing in residential schools, will not grant protective immunity to those testifying, and will prevent its findings to be used in courts of law.</b></div>
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<b>With such restrictions and censorship, the TRC will be incapable of conducting any serious inquiry into crimes in Indian residential schools, or of issuing any kind of detailed or accurate report about this tragic history that claimed the lives of at least 50,000 children over a century.</b></div>
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<b>Not only will this "official" self-examination by the parties guilty of a crime provide no satisfaction to the thousands of survivors who are seeking an open forum in which they can be freely heard, and seek justice, but the mandate of the "TRC" violates international human rights protocols requiring an impartial and open inquiry into apparent crimes against humanity, and the proper consultation of victims of such criminal acts.</b></div>
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<b>In response, our network and other survivors of church abuse will be holding a counter hearing process across Canada to provide a real and open inquiry into the Indian residential schools of Canada.</b></div>
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<b>This counter hearing will be known as The Peoples' Inquiry into Crimes in Indian Residential Schools, and will commence on the day that the "TRC" opens its first forum, on Tuesday, June 15 at The Forks in downtown Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.</b></div>
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<b>Our hearing will be held near to the site of the TRC event and will invite survivors to present their full stories and evidence of what they suffered in these schools, and what they still endure, in an uncensored venue.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>We anticipate and have requested the presence of international human rights observers at our event on June 15, in order to monitor the evidence submitted to our forum, and any possible irregularities or restrictions occurring at the government's "TRC" event.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Our campaign has the support of survivors' groups, human rights networks and the news media in Europe and other regions, and its events and findings will be reported around the world.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Our aim is to produce and issue an eventual Counter Report to the government's TRC report that can be used to bring charges against Canada and its churches.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>We invite you to officially endorse and take part in our June 15 counter hearing and open forum, and help us record for the world the complete evidence of crimes in Canadian Indian residential schools.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>We see our campaign as part of a growing international movement to bring to justice those responsible for the organized criminal abuse and trafficking in children, including church, government and police agencies.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Please contact us at this email or at 250-753-3345 in Canada. More information will be sent to you soon, as part of international press advisories concerning our actions.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Sincerely,</b></div>
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<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Rev. Kevin Annett, Secretary</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Chief Louis Daniels - Whispers Wind, Elder, Anishinabe Nation</b></div>
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<b>for The Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared - Canada</b></div>
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		<title>Where Is The Justice?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 14:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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I find it quite despicable that the Churches not only actively cover up and enable pedophilia and child abuse but maliciously persecute/punish those priests who do object and do speak out against the Churches cover ups and enabling of these criminal ...]]></description>
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<b>I find it quite despicable that the Churches not only actively cover up and enable pedophilia and child abuse but maliciously persecute/punish those priests who do object and do speak out against the Churches cover ups and enabling of these criminal acts against children.</b></div>
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<b>Father Tom Doyle of the Catholic Church and Reverend Kevin Annett of the United Church of Canada are but two examples.</b></div>
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<b>In the case of the Aboriginal children in the Indian Residential Schools what occurred far exceeded child abuse and crossed the line into child torture and genocide which continued into the 1970s.</b></div>
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<b>It also appears to have been a deliberate and conscious policy at the highest levels of both church and state.</b></div>
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<b>The following statement was issued by the Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared, Canada</b></div>
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<b>I wish them much success in this endeavor and encourage others to support them and participate in this historic and very important event.</b></div>
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<b>Statement ------------------------</b></div>
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<b>Help Us Remove the Gag from Survivors of Genocide in Canada:</b></div>
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<b>Participate in our Peoples' Inquiry into Residential Schools on June 15 in Winnipeg - Put and End to the Government and Church Coverup known as the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission"</b></div>
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<b>Issued by the Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared, Canada</b></div>
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<b>May 1, 2010</b></div>
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<b>Dear friends,</b></div>
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<b><br /></b></div>
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<b>For nearly two decades, in the face of enormous repression and concealment by church and state, our network has documented the stories of torture, genocide and murder by survivors of Indian residential schools across Canada, and has forced this issue onto the national political agenda.</b></div>
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<b>In response, the groups responsible for the death of nearly half the children in these institutions - the government of Canada and the Catholic, Anglican and United Church - have exonerated themselves from their crimes and established their own "truth and reconciliation commission" (TRC) to whitewash their responsibility for clearly intentional crimes against humanity.</b></div>
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<b>This "TRC" is in essence an enormous miscarriage of justice.</b></div>
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<b>The TRC has no power to lay criminal charges or issue subpoenas, will not allow the naming of names or presenting of evidence of wrongdoing in residential schools, will not grant protective immunity to those testifying, and will prevent its findings to be used in courts of law.</b></div>
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<b>With such restrictions and censorship, the TRC will be incapable of conducting any serious inquiry into crimes in Indian residential schools, or of issuing any kind of detailed or accurate report about this tragic history that claimed the lives of at least 50,000 children over a century.</b></div>
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<b>Not only will this "official" self-examination by the parties guilty of a crime provide no satisfaction to the thousands of survivors who are seeking an open forum in which they can be freely heard, and seek justice, but the mandate of the "TRC" violates international human rights protocols requiring an impartial and open inquiry into apparent crimes against humanity, and the proper consultation of victims of such criminal acts.</b></div>
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<b>In response, our network and other survivors of church abuse will be holding a counter hearing process across Canada to provide a real and open inquiry into the Indian residential schools of Canada.</b></div>
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<b><br /></b></div>
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<b>This counter hearing will be known as The Peoples' Inquiry into Crimes in Indian Residential Schools, and will commence on the day that the "TRC" opens its first forum, on Tuesday, June 15 at The Forks in downtown Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.</b></div>
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<b><br /></b></div>
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<b>Our hearing will be held near to the site of the TRC event and will invite survivors to present their full stories and evidence of what they suffered in these schools, and what they still endure, in an uncensored venue.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>We anticipate and have requested the presence of international human rights observers at our event on June 15, in order to monitor the evidence submitted to our forum, and any possible irregularities or restrictions occurring at the government's "TRC" event.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Our campaign has the support of survivors' groups, human rights networks and the news media in Europe and other regions, and its events and findings will be reported around the world.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Our aim is to produce and issue an eventual Counter Report to the government's TRC report that can be used to bring charges against Canada and its churches.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>We invite you to officially endorse and take part in our June 15 counter hearing and open forum, and help us record for the world the complete evidence of crimes in Canadian Indian residential schools.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>We see our campaign as part of a growing international movement to bring to justice those responsible for the organized criminal abuse and trafficking in children, including church, government and police agencies.</b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b><br /></b></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<b>Please contact us at this email or at 250-753-3345 in Canada. More information will be sent to you soon, as part of international press advisories concerning our actions.</b></div>
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<b><br /></b></div>
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<b>Sincerely,</b></div>
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<b><br /></b></div>
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<b>Rev. Kevin Annett, Secretary</b></div>
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<b>Chief Louis Daniels - Whispers Wind, Elder, Anishinabe Nation</b></div>
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<b>for The Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared - Canada</b></div>
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		<title>Canada, The Church And Aboriginal Genocide</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 19:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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The following is a powerful 2 hour film depicting ex-Reverend of the United Church of Canada, Kevin Annett's struggle to get justice for the thousands of Canadian Aboriginal children murdered by both the United and Catholic Churches in Canada as well...]]></description>
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Kevin Annett continues to be harassed and persecuted for his exposure of both the church and government but despite this continues his fight for justice on behalf of the Aboriginal people of Canada.&nbsp;</div>
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While he remains a Christian (follower of Christ) he has harsh criticism for religion and the Church and it's hypocrisy.&nbsp;</div>
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Unrepentant</div>
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<i><b>Mass Graves at former Indian Residential Schools and Hospitals across Canada</b></i><br /><br />
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A. British Columbia<br /><br />1.&nbsp;&nbsp; Port Alberni: Presbyterian-United Church school (1895-1973), now occupied by the Nuu-Chah-Nulth Tribal Council (NTC) office, Kitskuksis Road . Grave site is a series of sinkhole rows in hills 100 metres due west of the NTC building, in thick foliage, past an unused water pipeline. Children also interred at Tseshaht reserve cemetery, and in wooded gully east of Catholic cemetery on River Road .<br /><br />2.&nbsp;&nbsp; Alert Bay : St. Michael’s Anglican school (1878-1975), situated on Cormorant Island offshore from Port McNeill. Presently building is used by Namgis First Nation. Site is an overgrown field adjacent to the building, and also under the foundations of the present new building, constructed during the 1960’s. Skeletons seen “between the walls”.<br /><br />3.&nbsp;&nbsp; Kuper Island: Catholic school (1890-1975), offshore from Chemainus. Land occupied by Penelakut Band. Former building is destroyed except for a staircase. Two grave sites: one immediately south of the former building, in a field containing a conventional cemetery; another at the west shoreline in a lagoon near the main dock.<br /><br />4.&nbsp;&nbsp; Nanaimo Indian Hospital: Indian Affairs and United Church experimental facility (1942-1970) on Department of National Defense land. Buildings now destroyed. Grave sites are immediately east of former buildings on Fifth avenue , adjacent to and south of Malaspina College .<br /><br />5.&nbsp;&nbsp; Mission: St. Mary’s Catholic school (1861-1984), adjacent to and north of Lougheed Highway and Fraser River Heritage Park . Original school buildings are destroyed, but many foundations are visible on the grounds of the Park.<br /><br />In this area there are two grave sites: a) immediately adjacent to former girls’ dormitory and present cemetery for priests, and a larger mass grave in an artificial earthen mound, north of the cemetery among overgrown foliage and blackberry bushes, and b) east of the old school grounds, on the hilly slopes next to the field leading to the newer school building which is presently used by the Sto:lo First Nation. Hill site is 150 metres west of building.<br /><br />6.&nbsp;&nbsp; North Vancouver: Squamish (1898-1959) and Sechelt (1912-1975) Catholic schools, buildings destroyed. Graves of children who died in these schools interred in the Squamish Band Cemetery , North Vancouver .<br /><br />7.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sardis: Coqualeetza Methodist-United Church school (1889-1940), then experimental hospital run by federal government (1940-1969). Native burial site next to Sto:lo reserve and Little Mountain school, also possibly adjacent to former school-hospital building.<br /><br />8. Cranbrook: St. Eugene Catholic school (1898-1970), recently converted into a tourist “resort” with federal funding, resulting in the covering-over of a mass burial site by a golf course in front of the building. Numerous grave sites are around and under this golf course.<br /><br />9. Williams Lake : Catholic school (1890-1981), buildings destroyed but foundations intact, five miles south of city. Grave sites reported north of school grounds and under foundations of tunnel-like structure.<br /><br />10. Meares Island (Tofino): Kakawis-Christie Catholic school (1898-1974). Buildings incorporated into Kakawis Healing Centre. Body storage room reported in basement, adjacent to burial grounds south of school.<br /><br />11. Kamloops : Catholic school (1890-1978). Buildings intact. Mass grave south of school, adjacent to and amidst orchard. Numerous burials witnessed there.<br /><br />12. Lytton: St. George’s Anglican school (1901-1979). Graves of students flogged to death, and others, reported under floorboards and next to playground.<br /><br />13. Fraser Lake : Lejac Catholic school (1910-1976), buildings destroyed. Graves reported under old foundations and between the walls.<br /><br />Alberta:<br /><br />1. Edmonton : United Church school (1919-1960), presently site of the Poundmaker Lodge in St. Albert . Graves of children reported south of former school site, under thick hedge that runs north-south, adjacent to memorial marker.<br /><br />2. Edmonton : Charles Camsell Hospital (1945-1967), building intact, experimental hospital run by Indian Affairs and United Church . Mass graves of children from hospital reported south of building, near staff garden.<br /><br />3. Saddle Lake : Bluequills Catholic school (1898-1970), building intact, skeletons and skulls observed in basement furnace. Mass grave reported adjacent to school.<br /><br />4. Hobbema: Ermineskin Catholic school (1916-1973), five intact skeletons observed in school furnace. Graves under former building foundations.<br /><br />Manitoba:<br /><br />1. Brandon : Methodist-United Church school (1895-1972). Building intact. Burials reported west of school building.<br /><br />2. Portage La Prairie: Presbyterian-United Church school (1895-1950). Children buried at nearby Hillside Cemetery .<br /><br />3. Norway House: Methodist-United Church school (1900-1974). “Very old” grave site next to former school building, demolished by United Church in 2004.<br /><br />Ontario:<br /><br />1. Thunder Bay : Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital , still in operation. Experimental centre. Women and children reported buried adjacent to hospital grounds.<br /><br />2. Sioux Lookout: Pelican Lake Catholic school (1911-1973). Burials of children in mound near to school.<br /><br />3. Kenora: Cecilia Jeffrey school, Presbyterian-United Church (1900-1966). Large burial mound east of former school.<br /><br />4. Fort Albany : St. Anne’s Catholic school (1936-1964). Children killed in electric chair buried next to school.<br /><br />5. Spanish: Catholic school (1883-1965). Numerous graves.<br /><br />6. Brantford : Mohawk Institute, Anglican church (1850-1969), building intact. Series of graves in orchard behind school building, under rows of trees.<br /><br />7. Sault Ste. Marie: Shingwauk Anglican school (1873-1969), some intact buildings. Several graves of children reported on grounds of old school.<br /><br />Quebec:<br /><br />1. Montreal : Allan Memorial Institute, McGill University , still in operation since opening in 1940. MKULTRA experimental centre. Mass grave of children killed there north of building, on southern slopes of Mount Royal behind stone wall.<br /><br />Sources:<br /><br />- Eyewitness accounts from survivors of these institutions, catalogued in Hidden from History: The Canadian Holocaust (2nd ed., 2005) by Kevin Annett. Other accounts are from local residents.</div>
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		<title>Canada, The Church And Aboriginal Genocide</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 19:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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The following is a powerful 2 hour film depicting ex-Reverend of the United Church of Canada, Kevin Annett's struggle to get justice for the thousands of Canadian Aboriginal children murdered by both the United and Catholic Churches in Canada as well...]]></description>
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The following is a powerful 2 hour film depicting ex-Reverend of the United Church of Canada, Kevin Annett's struggle to get justice for the thousands of Canadian Aboriginal children murdered by both the United and Catholic Churches in Canada as well as the hundreds of thousands who were kidnapped from their families and subjected to brutal psychological, physical and sexual abuse at the hands of the priests and the nuns.&nbsp;</div>
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Kevin Annett continues to be harassed and persecuted for his exposure of both the church and government but despite this continues his fight for justice on behalf of the Aboriginal people of Canada.&nbsp;</div>
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While he remains a Christian (follower of Christ) he has harsh criticism for religion and the Church and it's hypocrisy.&nbsp;</div>
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<i><b>Mass Graves at former Indian Residential Schools and Hospitals across Canada</b></i><br /><br />
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A. British Columbia<br /><br />1.&nbsp;&nbsp; Port Alberni: Presbyterian-United Church school (1895-1973), now occupied by the Nuu-Chah-Nulth Tribal Council (NTC) office, Kitskuksis Road . Grave site is a series of sinkhole rows in hills 100 metres due west of the NTC building, in thick foliage, past an unused water pipeline. Children also interred at Tseshaht reserve cemetery, and in wooded gully east of Catholic cemetery on River Road .<br /><br />2.&nbsp;&nbsp; Alert Bay : St. Michael’s Anglican school (1878-1975), situated on Cormorant Island offshore from Port McNeill. Presently building is used by Namgis First Nation. Site is an overgrown field adjacent to the building, and also under the foundations of the present new building, constructed during the 1960’s. Skeletons seen “between the walls”.<br /><br />3.&nbsp;&nbsp; Kuper Island: Catholic school (1890-1975), offshore from Chemainus. Land occupied by Penelakut Band. Former building is destroyed except for a staircase. Two grave sites: one immediately south of the former building, in a field containing a conventional cemetery; another at the west shoreline in a lagoon near the main dock.<br /><br />4.&nbsp;&nbsp; Nanaimo Indian Hospital: Indian Affairs and United Church experimental facility (1942-1970) on Department of National Defense land. Buildings now destroyed. Grave sites are immediately east of former buildings on Fifth avenue , adjacent to and south of Malaspina College .<br /><br />5.&nbsp;&nbsp; Mission: St. Mary’s Catholic school (1861-1984), adjacent to and north of Lougheed Highway and Fraser River Heritage Park . Original school buildings are destroyed, but many foundations are visible on the grounds of the Park.<br /><br />In this area there are two grave sites: a) immediately adjacent to former girls’ dormitory and present cemetery for priests, and a larger mass grave in an artificial earthen mound, north of the cemetery among overgrown foliage and blackberry bushes, and b) east of the old school grounds, on the hilly slopes next to the field leading to the newer school building which is presently used by the Sto:lo First Nation. Hill site is 150 metres west of building.<br /><br />6.&nbsp;&nbsp; North Vancouver: Squamish (1898-1959) and Sechelt (1912-1975) Catholic schools, buildings destroyed. Graves of children who died in these schools interred in the Squamish Band Cemetery , North Vancouver .<br /><br />7.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sardis: Coqualeetza Methodist-United Church school (1889-1940), then experimental hospital run by federal government (1940-1969). Native burial site next to Sto:lo reserve and Little Mountain school, also possibly adjacent to former school-hospital building.<br /><br />8. Cranbrook: St. Eugene Catholic school (1898-1970), recently converted into a tourist “resort” with federal funding, resulting in the covering-over of a mass burial site by a golf course in front of the building. Numerous grave sites are around and under this golf course.<br /><br />9. Williams Lake : Catholic school (1890-1981), buildings destroyed but foundations intact, five miles south of city. Grave sites reported north of school grounds and under foundations of tunnel-like structure.<br /><br />10. Meares Island (Tofino): Kakawis-Christie Catholic school (1898-1974). Buildings incorporated into Kakawis Healing Centre. Body storage room reported in basement, adjacent to burial grounds south of school.<br /><br />11. Kamloops : Catholic school (1890-1978). Buildings intact. Mass grave south of school, adjacent to and amidst orchard. Numerous burials witnessed there.<br /><br />12. Lytton: St. George’s Anglican school (1901-1979). Graves of students flogged to death, and others, reported under floorboards and next to playground.<br /><br />13. Fraser Lake : Lejac Catholic school (1910-1976), buildings destroyed. Graves reported under old foundations and between the walls.<br /><br />Alberta:<br /><br />1. Edmonton : United Church school (1919-1960), presently site of the Poundmaker Lodge in St. Albert . Graves of children reported south of former school site, under thick hedge that runs north-south, adjacent to memorial marker.<br /><br />2. Edmonton : Charles Camsell Hospital (1945-1967), building intact, experimental hospital run by Indian Affairs and United Church . Mass graves of children from hospital reported south of building, near staff garden.<br /><br />3. Saddle Lake : Bluequills Catholic school (1898-1970), building intact, skeletons and skulls observed in basement furnace. Mass grave reported adjacent to school.<br /><br />4. Hobbema: Ermineskin Catholic school (1916-1973), five intact skeletons observed in school furnace. Graves under former building foundations.<br /><br />Manitoba:<br /><br />1. Brandon : Methodist-United Church school (1895-1972). Building intact. Burials reported west of school building.<br /><br />2. Portage La Prairie: Presbyterian-United Church school (1895-1950). Children buried at nearby Hillside Cemetery .<br /><br />3. Norway House: Methodist-United Church school (1900-1974). “Very old” grave site next to former school building, demolished by United Church in 2004.<br /><br />Ontario:<br /><br />1. Thunder Bay : Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital , still in operation. Experimental centre. Women and children reported buried adjacent to hospital grounds.<br /><br />2. Sioux Lookout: Pelican Lake Catholic school (1911-1973). Burials of children in mound near to school.<br /><br />3. Kenora: Cecilia Jeffrey school, Presbyterian-United Church (1900-1966). Large burial mound east of former school.<br /><br />4. Fort Albany : St. Anne’s Catholic school (1936-1964). Children killed in electric chair buried next to school.<br /><br />5. Spanish: Catholic school (1883-1965). Numerous graves.<br /><br />6. Brantford : Mohawk Institute, Anglican church (1850-1969), building intact. Series of graves in orchard behind school building, under rows of trees.<br /><br />7. Sault Ste. Marie: Shingwauk Anglican school (1873-1969), some intact buildings. Several graves of children reported on grounds of old school.<br /><br />Quebec:<br /><br />1. Montreal : Allan Memorial Institute, McGill University , still in operation since opening in 1940. MKULTRA experimental centre. Mass grave of children killed there north of building, on southern slopes of Mount Royal behind stone wall.<br /><br />Sources:<br /><br />- Eyewitness accounts from survivors of these institutions, catalogued in Hidden from History: The Canadian Holocaust (2nd ed., 2005) by Kevin Annett. Other accounts are from local residents.</div>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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<i><b>If you are:</b></i><br />
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<i><b>3. are religious (particularly Catholic or Muslim)</b></i><br />
<i><b>4. are a religious accommodationist</b></i><br />
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<i><b>And/Or are humor challenged...</b></i><br />
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<i><b> Do Not Watch This Video Or View The Rest Of This Post.</b></i><br />
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<i><b>Now, you can't say you haven't been warned ....</b></i><br />
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<i><b>Note that the entire point of Free Speech rights is the right to be critical, no matter how offensive others may perceive that criticism.</b></i><br />
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<i><b>Since this is a right that I take seriously, and choose to exercise freely, anyone who has objections to that should not read this post or this blog.</b></i><br />
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<i><b>Since I don't want to single out the Catholics ....</b></i><br />
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<i><b>In honor of <a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/04/22/everybody-draw-mohammed-day">Everybody Draw Mohammed Day (May 20)</a> the following cartoon posted originally on and belonging to <a href="http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2010/04/boobquake.html">Blazing Cat Fur</a>, and in honor of BoobQuake follows.</b></i><br />
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<i><b>And then there's the famous (and one of my favorite) cartoon series:&nbsp;</b></i><br />
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		<title>Tim Minchin On The Pope, Mo Boobs and Jesus and Mo &#8230;.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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While the video and the cartoons are quite hilarious, all have the potential of being extremely offensive to some.

If you are:
1. easily offended
2. object to swearing
3. are religious (particularly Catholic or Muslim)
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<i><b>If you are:</b></i><br />
<i><b>1. easily offended</b></i><br />
<i><b>2. object to swearing</b></i><br />
<i><b>3. are religious (particularly Catholic or Muslim)</b></i><br />
<i><b>4. are a religious accommodationist</b></i><br />
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<i><b>And/Or are humor challenged...</b></i><br />
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<i><b> Do Not Watch This Video Or View The Rest Of This Post.</b></i><br />
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<i><b>Now, you can't say you haven't been warned ....</b></i><br />
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<i><b>Note that the entire point of Free Speech rights is the right to be critical, no matter how offensive others may perceive that criticism.</b></i><br />
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<i><b>Since this is a right that I take seriously, and choose to exercise freely, anyone who has objections to that should not read this post or this blog.</b></i><br />
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<i><b>Since I don't want to single out the Catholics ....</b></i><br />
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<i><b>In honor of <a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/04/22/everybody-draw-mohammed-day">Everybody Draw Mohammed Day (May 20)</a> the following cartoon posted originally on and belonging to <a href="http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2010/04/boobquake.html">Blazing Cat Fur</a>, and in honor of BoobQuake follows.</b></i><br />
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<i><b>And then there's the famous (and one of my favorite) cartoon series:&nbsp;</b></i><br />
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<i><b><a href="http://www.jesusandmo.net/2010/04/29/boobs/">Jesus and Mo</a></b></i></div>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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Trying to define the term Feminism...]]></description>
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Trying to define the term Feminism is challenging because it means many different things to many different people.<br />
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My definition is quite simple.<br />
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Feminism is the movement for equal rights for women whatever that might entail during any given period in history.<br />
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Given my definition I don't accept the concept of "protofeminism" nor do I believe that there were only three "waves" of feminism.<br />
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That said, for now and in the interests of clarity, I will make my comments within the context of accepted historical standards.<br />
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Historically speaking there have been three "waves" of feminism defined. <br />
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The first wave began in the 18th century along with the development of the FreeThought movement and Rationalism and was supported by many FreeThinkers from it's inception. <br />
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It's neither an accident nor a coincidence that the suffragette leaders were FreeThinkers for the most part. <br />
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The reason for this is that it was the FreeThinkers who were questioning the standards and the existing beliefs, holding them up to the light of reason, discarding that which didn't meet rational standards and upholding that which did.<br />
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That's not to say that Christian women didn't play a role in fighting for the right to vote. They did. It was, in fact, the one unifying issue between Christian feminists and FreeThinking feminists.<br />
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However, there was a divergence of interest on other issues where the Christian feminists focused on Temperance (prohibition of alcohol) whereas the FreeThinking feminists focused on Abolition (banning slavery) amongst other issues.<br />
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While the stated focus of this First Wave was womens suffrage, the right to vote, it's real focus was much more than that.<br />
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It was about the right of women to recognized as persons under the law.<br />
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After all, that's precisely why women didn't have suffrage. We were legally considered chattel, the property of the men who were in charge of us whether they were our fathers, husbands, uncles, brothers, caretakers, etc.<br />
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Note that according to Amendment XIV of the US Constitution, citizens were persons and on those grounds granted the privileges defined by the Constitution including the right to vote. Since women were not given the right to vote they were not considered persons under the law or citizens as defined by the XIVth Amendment.<br />
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Amendment XIV<br />
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(The proposed amendment was sent to the states June 16, 1866, by the Thirty-ninth Congress. It was ratified July 9, 1868.)<br />
Section 1<br />
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[Citizenship defined; privileges of citizens.]<br />
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.<br />
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Source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0749825.html<br />
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While the women of the day who posed arguments to support their right to equality did so within the context of the times and in relation to the existing social theories which kept them enslaved, the real issue was glaringly obvious and while unstated, was reflected clearly in Marion Kirkland Reid's, A Plea For Women (1843), where she elucidated three issues which stood in the way of women's rights. These three issues formed the foundation for both the First and Second Wave Feminist movements.<br />
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They were:<br />
1. Lack of civil rights<br />
2. Unjust laws against women<br />
3. Inability to obtain an education<br />
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If women were considered human beings, people under the law, the above would have resulted in violations of the existing Constitutions in various western countries.<br />
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In addition, it was implicit in the existing social theories of the day which Reid also addressed: <br />
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1. women and domesticity<br />
2. women and Christianity. <br />
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Reid spoke to these in the context of "women's appropriate role in society".<br />
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Source: http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/whm2003/reid.html<br />
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So Reid's major contribution was to objectify through these issues the real problem which was that women were not considered to be persons under the law, by the society of the day.<br />
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Reid's document, combined with the shunning of women from around the world, who attended the first World Anti-Slavery Convention in 1840 led to the Seneca Falls Convention in the US, on women's rights. The Declaration of Rights and Sentiments was authored here by Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and became the foundation for American feminism.<br />
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Excerpt:<br />
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men and women are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of those who suffer from it to refuse allegiance to it, and to insist upon the institution of a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."<br />
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"Closing Remarks<br />
Now, in view of this entire disfranchisement of one-half the people of this country, their social and religious degradation—in view of the unjust laws above mentioned, and because women do feel themselves aggrieved, oppressed, and fraudulently deprived of their most sacred rights, we insist that they have immediate admission to all the rights and privileges which belong to them as citizens of these United States."<br />
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Sentiments<br />
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Once suffrage, the right to vote, was won, a major hurdle was overcome. This right, through the XIXth Amendment of the US Constitution legally established that women were persons under the law.<br />
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Amendment XIX<br />
<br />
(The proposed amendment was sent to the states June 4, 1919, by the Sixty-sixth Congress. It was ratified Aug. 18, 1920.)<br />
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[The right of citizens to vote shall not be denied because of sex.]<br />
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The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.<br />
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[Congress given power to enforce this article.]<br />
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Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.<br />
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Source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0749825.html<br />
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This allowed women to move things to the next level, to establish legal and social equality in other areas.<br />
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Women now began the process of establishing an identity through media and culture,&nbsp; legal rights, employment inclusion and equity, reproductive rights, exploration of gender issues and female sexuality, fighting for social reform on many fronts including Family and Property Law.<br />
<br />
None of these issues was won easily and at times resulted in the imprisonment of advocates. <br />
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In addition, many rights were removed after WWII since women were no longer needed in the work force.<br />
<br />
This environment led to the Second Wave of Feminism.<br />
<br />
Simone de Beauvoir, mother of modern feminism, existentialist philosopher, feminist, polyamorist, bisexual, lover of and inspiration to Jean Paul Sartre wrote the ground-breaking book, The Second Sex in 1949 which laid the foundation for this Second Wave of Feminism.<br />
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Beauvoir's critique of First Wave Feminism corrected errors in and advanced the philosophical approaches originally adopted by First Wave Feminism.<br />
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She established the concept that women's goal wasn't to be like men but to be equal to men, that equality was established by the freedom to choose, and was responsible for coining the term, Women's Liberation.<br />
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism</div>
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Trying to define the term Feminism is challenging because it means many different things to many different people.<br />
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My definition is quite simple.<br />
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Feminism is the movement for equal rights for women whatever that might entail during any given period in history.<br />
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Given my definition I don't accept the concept of "protofeminism" nor do I believe that there were only three "waves" of feminism.<br />
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That said, for now and in the interests of clarity, I will make my comments within the context of accepted historical standards.<br />
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Historically speaking there have been three "waves" of feminism defined. <br />
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The first wave began in the 18th century along with the development of the FreeThought movement and Rationalism and was supported by many FreeThinkers from it's inception. <br />
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It's neither an accident nor a coincidence that the suffragette leaders were FreeThinkers for the most part. <br />
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The reason for this is that it was the FreeThinkers who were questioning the standards and the existing beliefs, holding them up to the light of reason, discarding that which didn't meet rational standards and upholding that which did.<br />
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That's not to say that Christian women didn't play a role in fighting for the right to vote. They did. It was, in fact, the one unifying issue between Christian feminists and FreeThinking feminists.<br />
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However, there was a divergence of interest on other issues where the Christian feminists focused on Temperance (prohibition of alcohol) whereas the FreeThinking feminists focused on Abolition (banning slavery) amongst other issues.<br />
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While the stated focus of this First Wave was womens suffrage, the right to vote, it's real focus was much more than that.<br />
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It was about the right of women to recognized as persons under the law.<br />
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After all, that's precisely why women didn't have suffrage. We were legally considered chattel, the property of the men who were in charge of us whether they were our fathers, husbands, uncles, brothers, caretakers, etc.<br />
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Note that according to Amendment XIV of the US Constitution, citizens were persons and on those grounds granted the privileges defined by the Constitution including the right to vote. Since women were not given the right to vote they were not considered persons under the law or citizens as defined by the XIVth Amendment.<br />
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Amendment XIV<br />
<br />
(The proposed amendment was sent to the states June 16, 1866, by the Thirty-ninth Congress. It was ratified July 9, 1868.)<br />
Section 1<br />
<br />
[Citizenship defined; privileges of citizens.]<br />
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.<br />
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Source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0749825.html<br />
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While the women of the day who posed arguments to support their right to equality did so within the context of the times and in relation to the existing social theories which kept them enslaved, the real issue was glaringly obvious and while unstated, was reflected clearly in Marion Kirkland Reid's, A Plea For Women (1843), where she elucidated three issues which stood in the way of women's rights. These three issues formed the foundation for both the First and Second Wave Feminist movements.<br />
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They were:<br />
1. Lack of civil rights<br />
2. Unjust laws against women<br />
3. Inability to obtain an education<br />
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If women were considered human beings, people under the law, the above would have resulted in violations of the existing Constitutions in various western countries.<br />
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In addition, it was implicit in the existing social theories of the day which Reid also addressed: <br />
<br />
1. women and domesticity<br />
2. women and Christianity. <br />
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Reid spoke to these in the context of "women's appropriate role in society".<br />
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Source: http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/whm2003/reid.html<br />
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So Reid's major contribution was to objectify through these issues the real problem which was that women were not considered to be persons under the law, by the society of the day.<br />
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Reid's document, combined with the shunning of women from around the world, who attended the first World Anti-Slavery Convention in 1840 led to the Seneca Falls Convention in the US, on women's rights. The Declaration of Rights and Sentiments was authored here by Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and became the foundation for American feminism.<br />
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Excerpt:<br />
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men and women are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of those who suffer from it to refuse allegiance to it, and to insist upon the institution of a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."<br />
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***<br />
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"Closing Remarks<br />
Now, in view of this entire disfranchisement of one-half the people of this country, their social and religious degradation—in view of the unjust laws above mentioned, and because women do feel themselves aggrieved, oppressed, and fraudulently deprived of their most sacred rights, we insist that they have immediate admission to all the rights and privileges which belong to them as citizens of these United States."<br />
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Sentiments<br />
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Once suffrage, the right to vote, was won, a major hurdle was overcome. This right, through the XIXth Amendment of the US Constitution legally established that women were persons under the law.<br />
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Amendment XIX<br />
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(The proposed amendment was sent to the states June 4, 1919, by the Sixty-sixth Congress. It was ratified Aug. 18, 1920.)<br />
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[The right of citizens to vote shall not be denied because of sex.]<br />
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The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.<br />
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[Congress given power to enforce this article.]<br />
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Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.<br />
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Source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0749825.html<br />
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This allowed women to move things to the next level, to establish legal and social equality in other areas.<br />
<br />
Women now began the process of establishing an identity through media and culture,&nbsp; legal rights, employment inclusion and equity, reproductive rights, exploration of gender issues and female sexuality, fighting for social reform on many fronts including Family and Property Law.<br />
<br />
None of these issues was won easily and at times resulted in the imprisonment of advocates. <br />
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In addition, many rights were removed after WWII since women were no longer needed in the work force.<br />
<br />
This environment led to the Second Wave of Feminism.<br />
<br />
Simone de Beauvoir, mother of modern feminism, existentialist philosopher, feminist, polyamorist, bisexual, lover of and inspiration to Jean Paul Sartre wrote the ground-breaking book, The Second Sex in 1949 which laid the foundation for this Second Wave of Feminism.<br />
<br />
Beauvoir's critique of First Wave Feminism corrected errors in and advanced the philosophical approaches originally adopted by First Wave Feminism.<br />
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She established the concept that women's goal wasn't to be like men but to be equal to men, that equality was established by the freedom to choose, and was responsible for coining the term, Women's Liberation.<br />
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism</div>
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Event initiated by <a href="http://www.blaghag.com/">Blag Hag</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp04262010.shtml">BoobQuake Cartoon</a> - Hilarious<br />
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<a href="http://www.esarcasm.com/13822/boobquake/">eSarcasms' news and views on BoobQuake</a> - Hilarious<br />
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<a href="http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2010/04/boobquake.html">Mo' Boobs for BoobQuake</a> - Do not click if you are easily offended! <br />
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		<title>BoobQuake Promises a Shake-Up on April 26!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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The BoobQuake event which started as a joke by skeptic atheist feminist blogger, Blah Hag, has taken hold with nearly 130,000 Facebook participants and thousands of tweets on Twitter, as of this moment. (Yes Skeptic Feminists *do* have a sense of hum...]]></description>
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The BoobQuake event which started as a joke by skeptic atheist feminist blogger, <a href="http://www.blaghag.com/">Blah Hag</a>, has taken hold with nearly 130,000 <a href="http://www.facebook.com/editapps.php?v=feed#!/event.php?eid=116336578385346&amp;ref=ts">Facebook </a>participants and thousands of tweets on <a href="http://twitter.com/boobquake">Twitter</a>, as of this moment. (Yes Skeptic Feminists *do* have a sense of humor!).</div>
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<a href="http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/in-name-of-science-i-offer-my-boobs.html%20%20">"In the name of science, I offer my boobs"</a> says she :-) who is also a Biology/Evolution major.</div>
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Blag Hag has proposed that women around the world dress immodestly (show cleavage, etc.) on Monday April 26, 2010 to determine if Iranian cleric Sedighi's claims that feminine immodesty causes earthquakes (yes he actually said that!).</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
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"Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray, corrupt
 their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) 
increases earthquakes," Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi was quoted as saying 
by Iranian media. Sedighi is Tehran's acting Friday prayer leader." </div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
One tweet on Twitter commented that this was a win-win event for women because if there wasn't an earthquake we have dispelled a very silly superstition and if there was an earthquake we will have established boobs as Lethal Weapons of the WMD (weapons of mass distraction) variety :-).</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
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It works for me either way.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
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The media has become quite entranced with the event being reported everywhere from the US, Canada, Australia, India, et al.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Vancouver has decided to have a <a href="http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/48129--rally-in-vancouver-to-show-women-don-t-cause-earthquakes-after-comments-from-iranian-cleric">rally </a>on April 26 called BoobQuake in front of the Art Gallery. Immodestly (but legally) dressed women will parade their immodesty from 4PM to 8PM.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
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The organizer of the Vancouver rally will have a computer with a geiger counter to test for any shaking in the area.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Blag Hag was quoted by <a href="http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/22/blogger-show-cleavage-to-test-cleric%E2%80%99s-quake-theory/">CNN </a>as saying: </div>
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<br /></div>
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“It’s not supposed to be serious activism that is going to  
revolutionize women’s rights, but just a bit of fun juvenile humor,” 
 she wrote. “I’m a firm believer that when someone says something so 
 stupid and hateful, serious discourse isn't going to accomplish  
anything - sometimes light-hearted mockery is worthwhile.”</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
And I couldn't agree more.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
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Participate and Enjoy!</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
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The BoobQuake event which started as a joke by skeptic atheist feminist blogger, <a href="http://www.blaghag.com/">Blah Hag</a>, has taken hold with nearly 130,000 <a href="http://www.facebook.com/editapps.php?v=feed#!/event.php?eid=116336578385346&amp;ref=ts">Facebook </a>participants and thousands of tweets on <a href="http://twitter.com/boobquake">Twitter</a>, as of this moment. (Yes Skeptic Feminists *do* have a sense of humor!).</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<a href="http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/in-name-of-science-i-offer-my-boobs.html%20%20">"In the name of science, I offer my boobs"</a> says she :-) who is also a Biology/Evolution major.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Blag Hag has proposed that women around the world dress immodestly (show cleavage, etc.) on Monday April 26, 2010 to determine if Iranian cleric Sedighi's claims that feminine immodesty causes earthquakes (yes he actually said that!).</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
"Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray, corrupt
 their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) 
increases earthquakes," Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi was quoted as saying 
by Iranian media. Sedighi is Tehran's acting Friday prayer leader." </div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
One tweet on Twitter commented that this was a win-win event for women because if there wasn't an earthquake we have dispelled a very silly superstition and if there was an earthquake we will have established boobs as Lethal Weapons of the WMD (weapons of mass distraction) variety :-).</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
It works for me either way.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
The media has become quite entranced with the event being reported everywhere from the US, Canada, Australia, India, et al.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Vancouver has decided to have a <a href="http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/48129--rally-in-vancouver-to-show-women-don-t-cause-earthquakes-after-comments-from-iranian-cleric">rally </a>on April 26 called BoobQuake in front of the Art Gallery. Immodestly (but legally) dressed women will parade their immodesty from 4PM to 8PM.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
The organizer of the Vancouver rally will have a computer with a geiger counter to test for any shaking in the area.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Blag Hag was quoted by <a href="http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/22/blogger-show-cleavage-to-test-cleric%E2%80%99s-quake-theory/">CNN </a>as saying: </div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
“It’s not supposed to be serious activism that is going to  
revolutionize women’s rights, but just a bit of fun juvenile humor,” 
 she wrote. “I’m a firm believer that when someone says something so 
 stupid and hateful, serious discourse isn't going to accomplish  
anything - sometimes light-hearted mockery is worthwhile.”</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
And I couldn't agree more.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Participate and Enjoy!</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<br /></div>
<br />
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The Indian Freethought Community is getting busy organizing and building the Freethought movement in India.

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At the forefront of this movement is a group called Nirmukta, many of whom are members on various atheist sites like Atheist Nexus, alt.atheism, Atheism versus Christianity (theism), etc.<br />
<br />
One member has actively organized campaigns to go into the countryside and teach the villagers science in order to educate them on superstitious beliefs and the damage they do.<br />
<br />
They've started a website and Forum which some of you might be interested in reading or joining.<br />
<br />
I don't think there's any requirement that you be Indian to join the Forums.<br />
<br />
They are located here:<br />
<br />
Forum<br />
http://nirmukta.net/index.php<br />
<br />
Website<br />
http://nirmukta.com/<br />
<br />
One of the Nirmukta articles was picked up and Tweeted by Richard Dawkins recently.<br />
http://twitter.com/RIchardDawkins<br />
<br />
And posted on Dawkins.net<br />
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5414<br />
<br />
India is a land entrenched in superstitious belief but it is also a land which gave rise to the earliest known atheistic, materialist, naturalist and secular belief system known to humanity, Carvaka.<br />
<br />
Best wishes to the Indian Atheists and may they enjoy the same successes that have occurred with other atheistic groups around the world in recent years.<br />
<br />
Trance Gemini of Atheist Nexus, Atheism vs Christianity, alt.atheism, Nirmukta, et al :-) <br />
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The Indian Freethought Community is getting busy organizing and building the Freethought movement in India.

At the forefront of this movement is a group called Nirmukta, many of whom are members on various atheist sites like Atheist Nexus, alt.atheis...]]></description>
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<br />
At the forefront of this movement is a group called Nirmukta, many of whom are members on various atheist sites like Atheist Nexus, alt.atheism, Atheism versus Christianity (theism), etc.<br />
<br />
One member has actively organized campaigns to go into the countryside and teach the villagers science in order to educate them on superstitious beliefs and the damage they do.<br />
<br />
They've started a website and Forum which some of you might be interested in reading or joining.<br />
<br />
I don't think there's any requirement that you be Indian to join the Forums.<br />
<br />
They are located here:<br />
<br />
Forum<br />
http://nirmukta.net/index.php<br />
<br />
Website<br />
http://nirmukta.com/<br />
<br />
One of the Nirmukta articles was picked up and Tweeted by Richard Dawkins recently.<br />
http://twitter.com/RIchardDawkins<br />
<br />
And posted on Dawkins.net<br />
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5414<br />
<br />
India is a land entrenched in superstitious belief but it is also a land which gave rise to the earliest known atheistic, materialist, naturalist and secular belief system known to humanity, Carvaka.<br />
<br />
Best wishes to the Indian Atheists and may they enjoy the same successes that have occurred with other atheistic groups around the world in recent years.<br />
<br />
Trance Gemini of Atheist Nexus, Atheism vs Christianity, alt.atheism, Nirmukta, et al :-) <br />
<br />
-- <br />
"Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous<br />
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		<title>Christopher Maloney Is A Quack</title>
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"Maloney is a naturopath in the state of Maine, where quacks like him get to call themselves "doctors". These so-called "doctors" get to make recommendations like this, in which he disparages standard flu vaccines and suggests the...]]></description>
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"Maloney is a naturopath in the state of Maine, where quacks like him get to call themselves "doctors". These so-called "doctors" get to make recommendations like this, in which he disparages standard flu vaccines and suggests these useless prescriptions:</div>
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&nbsp;Parents waiting for vaccinations can provide their children with black elderberry, which blocks the H1N1 virus. A single garlic capsule daily cuts in half the incidence and the severity of a flu episode for children.</blockquote>
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There's another way you can tell he's a quack. When a student, <a href="http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/view/letters/7209347.html">Michael Hawkins, dared to criticize him</a>, pointing out that "Naturopathic medicine is pure bull" and stating that naturopaths are underqualified and do not deserve the title of "doctor," Maloney took action to silence him. After all, we can't have people questioning quacks — that just makes them look even more ridiculous, which could lead to a loss of business.</div>
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So Maloney complained to Wordpress, where Hawkins blog was located, and got them to <a href="http://withoutapologyinmaine.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/ftsos-fiasco/">shut it down</a>. This does not speak well of craven Wordpress; if you're using Wordpress hosting, you might want to reconsider it and move elsewhere. You know, to someplace that respects reality.</div>
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Now not only is Maloney a quack, but he's a stupid quack. Shutting down blogs that criticize him? That never, ever works. In fact, it tends to backfire rather severely — because now a much bigger blog is going to spread the word that Christopher Maloney is a quack. I'm also going to ask all of you out there who reads this to echo the message: Christopher Maloney is a quack. Won't that be fun? Poke the net, and the net pushes back.</div>
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Share the message. Let the whole world know that Christopher Maloney is a cowardly quack.</div>
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He's also tasteless. This is possibly the ugliest youtube video ever."</div>
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"Maloney is a naturopath in the state of Maine, where quacks like him get to call themselves "doctors". These so-called "doctors" get to make recommendations like this, in which he disparages standard flu vaccines and suggests the...]]></description>
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From <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/christopher_maloney_is_a_quack.php">Pharyngula</a>:</div>
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"Maloney is a naturopath in the state of Maine, where quacks like him get to call themselves "doctors". These so-called "doctors" get to make recommendations like this, in which he disparages standard flu vaccines and suggests these useless prescriptions:</div>
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&nbsp;Parents waiting for vaccinations can provide their children with black elderberry, which blocks the H1N1 virus. A single garlic capsule daily cuts in half the incidence and the severity of a flu episode for children.</blockquote>
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There's another way you can tell he's a quack. When a student, <a href="http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/view/letters/7209347.html">Michael Hawkins, dared to criticize him</a>, pointing out that "Naturopathic medicine is pure bull" and stating that naturopaths are underqualified and do not deserve the title of "doctor," Maloney took action to silence him. After all, we can't have people questioning quacks — that just makes them look even more ridiculous, which could lead to a loss of business.</div>
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So Maloney complained to Wordpress, where Hawkins blog was located, and got them to <a href="http://withoutapologyinmaine.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/ftsos-fiasco/">shut it down</a>. This does not speak well of craven Wordpress; if you're using Wordpress hosting, you might want to reconsider it and move elsewhere. You know, to someplace that respects reality.</div>
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Now not only is Maloney a quack, but he's a stupid quack. Shutting down blogs that criticize him? That never, ever works. In fact, it tends to backfire rather severely — because now a much bigger blog is going to spread the word that Christopher Maloney is a quack. I'm also going to ask all of you out there who reads this to echo the message: Christopher Maloney is a quack. Won't that be fun? Poke the net, and the net pushes back.</div>
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Share the message. Let the whole world know that Christopher Maloney is a cowardly quack.</div>
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He's also tasteless. This is possibly the ugliest youtube video ever."</div>
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The logical disproof of the Biblical god concept to be presented involves malice toward none, is not an attack on particular religions nor a statement against religion in general, and is soley in the interest of enlightenment to the good.<br /><br />It involves only three definitions, each of which is self-evident. One is of a being, a second is of worship and the third is of a Biblical type god.<br /><br />The definition of a being is that of a perceiver who cannot know whether its perceptions have anything to do with an external reality. Of course Descartes defined himself as this type of entity on the basis of obviousness.&nbsp; Very exactly, in that we have no way to test whether our perceptions have anything to do with an external reality we cannot know whether they do.&nbsp; Additionally, however, our experiences suggest that when we dream or hallucinate we internally generate perceptions that seem very real but have nothing to do with an external reality.&nbsp; Accordingly, especially with empirical suggestions that we sometimes internally generate perceptions that seem very real but have nothing to do with an external reality, we cannot rule out that it is our nature to do so all of the time. Therefore, our definition of a being is self-evident.<br /><br />The definition of worship is veneration to the extent that its object is assumed to exist.&nbsp; In that one cannot worship something without acknowledging its existence this definition of worship is entirely consistent with the actual meaning of the word.<br /><br />The definition of a Biblical type god is that of a perfect (in goodness) being who holds that it is right for others to worship it. This is entirely consistent with the Biblical god concept.<br /><br />We shall proceed with a logical technique that involves reductio ad absurdum.&nbsp; That is, we shall first assume that a Biblical type god exists and from this using only logic arrive at a self-contradictory (absurd) proposition.&nbsp; This will leave only that a Biblical type god does not exist and the disproof will be complete.&nbsp; As such, assume that a Biblical type god exists.<br /><br />By definition it holds that it is right for others to worship it.&nbsp; By the definition of worship they must acknowledge its existence to do so.&nbsp; Accordingly, the Biblical type god holds that it is right for others to acknowledge its existence.&nbsp; However, they are beings.&nbsp; By definition it is impossible for them to acknowledge the existence of anything more than perceptions.&nbsp; Therefore, the Biblical type god holds that it is right for them to do something that is impossible. At the same time, by definition it is perfect.&nbsp; In this it does not hold that it is right for others to do something that is impossible. Consequently, we have both that the Biblical type god does and does not hold that it is right for others to do something that is impossible.<br /><br />This is the absurdity.&nbsp; Our only alternative is that a Biblical type god does not exist.<br /><br />Quod Erat Demonstrandum<br /><br />It is incidental that the Biblical type god would not know whether others existed.&nbsp; Notwithstanding, in its perfection it would not decide that they did much less that they did as perceived.&nbsp; Moreover, in that it would not decide that any who might exist would exist as perceived it would not decide that any who might exist were imperfect.&nbsp; That is, it would not decide that any who might exist were its subordinate.&nbsp; In this, a perfect being would not hold that it was right for others to worship it and the Biblical god concept is again self-contradictory.<br /><br />Analogously, of course, the Jesus concept is self-contradictory.<br /><br />As set forth at the beginning there is no vindictiveness in this writing.&nbsp; It is soley in the interest of enlightenment to the good. As it pertains to enlightenment to the good it is meant to convey that our ability to know an external reality (if there is one) is scientifically precluded by our perceiver nature and, in this, meaningful development as the entities we are may only be realized in the form of internal rewards.&nbsp; That is, it may only be realized through decisions that challenge the self in goodness of motive.&nbsp; Only these afford fulfillment in effort independently from certainty of result.<br /><br />John Jubinsky, MA–Mathematics, CPA, <a href="http://groups.google.ca/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_thread/thread/4a492c6d7a925983/0e8ea7ca6c9fdf91?hl=en#0e8ea7ca6c9fdf91">Atheism vs Christianity</a></div>
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The logical disproof of the Biblical god concept to be presented involves malice toward none, is not an attack on particular religions nor a statement against religion in general, and is soley in the interest of enlightenment to the good.<br /><br />It involves only three definitions, each of which is self-evident. One is of a being, a second is of worship and the third is of a Biblical type god.<br /><br />The definition of a being is that of a perceiver who cannot know whether its perceptions have anything to do with an external reality. Of course Descartes defined himself as this type of entity on the basis of obviousness.&nbsp; Very exactly, in that we have no way to test whether our perceptions have anything to do with an external reality we cannot know whether they do.&nbsp; Additionally, however, our experiences suggest that when we dream or hallucinate we internally generate perceptions that seem very real but have nothing to do with an external reality.&nbsp; Accordingly, especially with empirical suggestions that we sometimes internally generate perceptions that seem very real but have nothing to do with an external reality, we cannot rule out that it is our nature to do so all of the time. Therefore, our definition of a being is self-evident.<br /><br />The definition of worship is veneration to the extent that its object is assumed to exist.&nbsp; In that one cannot worship something without acknowledging its existence this definition of worship is entirely consistent with the actual meaning of the word.<br /><br />The definition of a Biblical type god is that of a perfect (in goodness) being who holds that it is right for others to worship it. This is entirely consistent with the Biblical god concept.<br /><br />We shall proceed with a logical technique that involves reductio ad absurdum.&nbsp; That is, we shall first assume that a Biblical type god exists and from this using only logic arrive at a self-contradictory (absurd) proposition.&nbsp; This will leave only that a Biblical type god does not exist and the disproof will be complete.&nbsp; As such, assume that a Biblical type god exists.<br /><br />By definition it holds that it is right for others to worship it.&nbsp; By the definition of worship they must acknowledge its existence to do so.&nbsp; Accordingly, the Biblical type god holds that it is right for others to acknowledge its existence.&nbsp; However, they are beings.&nbsp; By definition it is impossible for them to acknowledge the existence of anything more than perceptions.&nbsp; Therefore, the Biblical type god holds that it is right for them to do something that is impossible. At the same time, by definition it is perfect.&nbsp; In this it does not hold that it is right for others to do something that is impossible. Consequently, we have both that the Biblical type god does and does not hold that it is right for others to do something that is impossible.<br /><br />This is the absurdity.&nbsp; Our only alternative is that a Biblical type god does not exist.<br /><br />Quod Erat Demonstrandum<br /><br />It is incidental that the Biblical type god would not know whether others existed.&nbsp; Notwithstanding, in its perfection it would not decide that they did much less that they did as perceived.&nbsp; Moreover, in that it would not decide that any who might exist would exist as perceived it would not decide that any who might exist were imperfect.&nbsp; That is, it would not decide that any who might exist were its subordinate.&nbsp; In this, a perfect being would not hold that it was right for others to worship it and the Biblical god concept is again self-contradictory.<br /><br />Analogously, of course, the Jesus concept is self-contradictory.<br /><br />As set forth at the beginning there is no vindictiveness in this writing.&nbsp; It is soley in the interest of enlightenment to the good. As it pertains to enlightenment to the good it is meant to convey that our ability to know an external reality (if there is one) is scientifically precluded by our perceiver nature and, in this, meaningful development as the entities we are may only be realized in the form of internal rewards.&nbsp; That is, it may only be realized through decisions that challenge the self in goodness of motive.&nbsp; Only these afford fulfillment in effort independently from certainty of result.<br /><br />John Jubinsky, MA–Mathematics, CPA, <a href="http://groups.google.ca/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_thread/thread/4a492c6d7a925983/0e8ea7ca6c9fdf91?hl=en#0e8ea7ca6c9fdf91">Atheism vs Christianity</a></div>
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Best wishes and a Happy New Year / Happy Monkey to all of my atheist friends :-).

My wish for this year is that all of our atheist communities around the world continue their steady consolidation and growth.

This is a huge achievement for a communit...]]></description>
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<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>My wish for this year is that all of our atheist communities around the world continue their steady consolidation and growth.</b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>This is a huge achievement for a community which holds no beliefs in common and is simply getting together on the grounds that we lack a belief in gods.</b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>We're not sheep and so our biggest challenge will be to learn to not only accept and tolerate our differences but embrace them and respect each other for them, where we can and for the most part.<br /></b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>Dogmatism is our biggest enemy whether it be the dogmatism of authoritarianism, religiosity or political correctness. Extremism and terrorism are partners in crime with dogmatism.</b></i><br />
 <i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b> An awareness and understanding of dogmatism and how it works will hopefully enlighten us so that we can overcome the challenges we face in uniting disparity and can work together to shine the light of reason on the world.</b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>Wishing everyone a wonderful and successful new year!</b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
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		<title>Happy New Years 2010, or, Happy Monkey ;-)</title>
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Best wishes and a Happy New Year / Happy Monkey to all of my atheist friends :-).

My wish for this year is that all of our atheist communities around the world continue their steady consolidation and growth.

This is a huge achievement for a communit...]]></description>
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<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>My wish for this year is that all of our atheist communities around the world continue their steady consolidation and growth.</b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>This is a huge achievement for a community which holds no beliefs in common and is simply getting together on the grounds that we lack a belief in gods.</b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>We're not sheep and so our biggest challenge will be to learn to not only accept and tolerate our differences but embrace them and respect each other for them, where we can and for the most part.<br /></b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>Dogmatism is our biggest enemy whether it be the dogmatism of authoritarianism, religiosity or political correctness. Extremism and terrorism are partners in crime with dogmatism.</b></i><br />
 <i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b> An awareness and understanding of dogmatism and how it works will hopefully enlighten us so that we can overcome the challenges we face in uniting disparity and can work together to shine the light of reason on the world.</b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
<i><b>Wishing everyone a wonderful and successful new year!</b></i><br />
<i><b><br /></b></i><br />
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		<title>God and Amateurs Interpreting Science</title>
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What always amuses me is that a great many theists (even those that seem rational) are taken with the notion that current models of physics and cosmology justify their beliefs. Mostly these are founded upon misinterpretations of these models, actuall...]]></description>
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<i>What always amuses me is that a great many theists (even those that seem rational) are taken with the notion that current models of physics and cosmology justify their beliefs. Mostly these are founded upon misinterpretations of these models, actually.</i><br /></div>
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<i>This is the "layman's" interpretation of the current state of cosmology: - There was an event (the big bang) that caused the universe.</i><br /></div>
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<i>The theists in question here then make the (completely unfounded) statement that god is the first cause (by no means demonstrated, and certainly doesn't favor a personal god over a nonpersonal god).</i><br /></div>
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<i>The actual situation is a terribly difficult one, and this layman's interpretation is a vast oversimplification.</i><br /></div>
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<i>1. Let's take the word "caused" to begin with. "Cause" implies that there is a sequential nature to events. That is, they are time-ordered. However, if there is no time, then there can be no causality (this is self-evident if you think about it). Asking what came "before" the big bang, or what "caused" the big bang, is like asking "what is north of the north pole"? (Thanks to Hawking for this wonderful analogy). As soon as you start going "more north" than the north pole, you start moving south again because you're constrained to the surface of the sphere. So the question is a nonsensical one from the get-go.</i><br /></div>
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<i>2. A proper theory of gravity (incorporating quantum mechanics) will necessarily be acausal below some time scale, unless general relativity is wrong altogether (which I don't see evidence of). Despite the protestations of certain people, this is the current consensus (and this is also a self-evident conclusion if one takes the merger of general relativity and quantum mechanics seriously).</i><br /></div>
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<i>3. The current models of "the big bang" actually only say that the observable universe, at some point around 13.7 billion years ago, was a very hot, dense entity which rapidly expanded and then cooled. It actually says absolutely nothing about what happened "before" this event (if such a concept is valid to begin with). There is absolutely nothing in the observable universe that currently states that the universe had a beginning. The current state of the art is that this question is, at present, unknown. An eternal universe that had a portion rapidly expand is completely adequate to explain everything we see in nature. There are a plethora of models that do not rely upon a "beginning" to the universe at all, ranging from cyclic universes in string theory involving brane collisions in higher dimensions, to a multiverse hypothesis. At present none are particularly preferred, but there are actually experiments that can be created to test these hypotheses (for instance, the LISA experiment will look for standing gravity waves to probe the structure of the early universe).</i><br /></div>
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<i>Because of 1 + 2 above, philosophizing about the nature of the origins of our universe is pretty difficult. Philosophy already assumes a causal relation of events. As I've argued, when dealing with the early universe, this may not be (and probably IS not) a good assumption.</i><br /></div>
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<i>Because of 3 above, in any case, even assuming a causal nature of events in *some* sense, the beginnings of the universe are still very much an open question with no resolution (CERTAINLY none that support the Christian ideas of a creator deity that takes a personal interest in day-to-day life and morality).</i><br /></div>
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<i>Subsequently, it always amuses me when theists oversimplify the situation and select the portions of it that support their presupposed "conclusion" (this should start ringing bells in any scientific mind).</i><br /></div>
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<i>I hope this sets the record straight and I've convinced the amateurs that they're really barking up the wrong tree. I have a feeling it won't, because human beings are necessarily terrible at intuitively grasping things outside of macroscopic physics, since they have no direct experience with the consequences of any other type of reality. Suffice to say that reality is a great deal more complicated than that, and one must abandon intuition to make any headway at all. But at least I gave it a shot.</i><br /></div>
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<i>by Rappoccio of <a href="http://groups.google.ca/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_thread/thread/a45e6aa410a28122?hl=en">AvC</a></i><br /></div>
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<i>What always amuses me is that a great many theists (even those that seem rational) are taken with the notion that current models of physics and cosmology justify their beliefs. Mostly these are founded upon misinterpretations of these models, actually.</i><br /></div>
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<i>This is the "layman's" interpretation of the current state of cosmology: - There was an event (the big bang) that caused the universe.</i><br /></div>
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<i>The theists in question here then make the (completely unfounded) statement that god is the first cause (by no means demonstrated, and certainly doesn't favor a personal god over a nonpersonal god).</i><br /></div>
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<i>The actual situation is a terribly difficult one, and this layman's interpretation is a vast oversimplification.</i><br /></div>
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<i>1. Let's take the word "caused" to begin with. "Cause" implies that there is a sequential nature to events. That is, they are time-ordered. However, if there is no time, then there can be no causality (this is self-evident if you think about it). Asking what came "before" the big bang, or what "caused" the big bang, is like asking "what is north of the north pole"? (Thanks to Hawking for this wonderful analogy). As soon as you start going "more north" than the north pole, you start moving south again because you're constrained to the surface of the sphere. So the question is a nonsensical one from the get-go.</i><br /></div>
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<i>2. A proper theory of gravity (incorporating quantum mechanics) will necessarily be acausal below some time scale, unless general relativity is wrong altogether (which I don't see evidence of). Despite the protestations of certain people, this is the current consensus (and this is also a self-evident conclusion if one takes the merger of general relativity and quantum mechanics seriously).</i><br /></div>
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<i>3. The current models of "the big bang" actually only say that the observable universe, at some point around 13.7 billion years ago, was a very hot, dense entity which rapidly expanded and then cooled. It actually says absolutely nothing about what happened "before" this event (if such a concept is valid to begin with). There is absolutely nothing in the observable universe that currently states that the universe had a beginning. The current state of the art is that this question is, at present, unknown. An eternal universe that had a portion rapidly expand is completely adequate to explain everything we see in nature. There are a plethora of models that do not rely upon a "beginning" to the universe at all, ranging from cyclic universes in string theory involving brane collisions in higher dimensions, to a multiverse hypothesis. At present none are particularly preferred, but there are actually experiments that can be created to test these hypotheses (for instance, the LISA experiment will look for standing gravity waves to probe the structure of the early universe).</i><br /></div>
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<i>Because of 1 + 2 above, philosophizing about the nature of the origins of our universe is pretty difficult. Philosophy already assumes a causal relation of events. As I've argued, when dealing with the early universe, this may not be (and probably IS not) a good assumption.</i><br /></div>
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<i>Because of 3 above, in any case, even assuming a causal nature of events in *some* sense, the beginnings of the universe are still very much an open question with no resolution (CERTAINLY none that support the Christian ideas of a creator deity that takes a personal interest in day-to-day life and morality).</i><br /></div>
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<i>Subsequently, it always amuses me when theists oversimplify the situation and select the portions of it that support their presupposed "conclusion" (this should start ringing bells in any scientific mind).</i><br /></div>
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<i>I hope this sets the record straight and I've convinced the amateurs that they're really barking up the wrong tree. I have a feeling it won't, because human beings are necessarily terrible at intuitively grasping things outside of macroscopic physics, since they have no direct experience with the consequences of any other type of reality. Suffice to say that reality is a great deal more complicated than that, and one must abandon intuition to make any headway at all. But at least I gave it a shot.</i><br /></div>
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<i>by Rappoccio of <a href="http://groups.google.ca/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_thread/thread/a45e6aa410a28122?hl=en">AvC</a></i><br /></div>
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<a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/cssDc-WgHk6at92cUj5vKWsaKwg/1/da"><img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/cssDc-WgHk6at92cUj5vKWsaKwg/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"/></a></p><i><b>Hi guys. Long time no see!<br /><br />These days, when people ask me about my religious beliefs, I describe myself as a stark raving Atheist, and that I believe that religion is bad for you. Originally I didn’t want to have this point of view, but I started a discussion on this site months ago (a year ago? Has it really been that long?) and after a while I ran out of objections to the idea that religion is bad. When I look at it good and hard, I simply cannot escape the conclusion that religion is, at its best, slowing our progress as enlightened, rational human beings. At its worst, it is actually killing us. In return we get a little bit of solace, some social clubs and a bit of charity, although the charities tend to have some missionary strings attached.<br /><br />One of the objections Theists have to this point of view is that they feel we cannot be moral without a God. However, we do not actually base our morality on holy books – we simply pick and choose from them the bits that seem moral to us. There are few Christians who feel it would be moral to offer their daughters to be raped in stead of a guest, for instance. In stead they focus on the bits that sound nicer, and claim that the ones they don’t like are allegorical. But if it is people doing the choosing, then that means that the morality is in the people, not in the book. If you took bible-morality at face value, you would (1) have to develop multiple personality disorder, because it regularly contradicts itself and (2) be considered a dangerous maniac, and certainly unfit to raise children. The only other option is for a human being to choose how to interpret it, and which bits to take seriously and literally, and which bits to treat as allegorical fairytales. This means the moral choice is made by people, in spite of what the bible says. <br /><br />Another objection is that everyone has a right to believe what they want. This is true, but within limits. Unfortunately, almost every religion teaches intolerance that is not compatible with modern morals. The religious take on homosexuality is a great example of this. Few people these days believe that you should be treated differently for being gay, yet almost all religions teach that it is in fact a sin, and most even go on to say that homosexuals should be put to death, or that they will suffer terrible punishments for their sexuality in the afterlife. The attitude towards women in the Torah, Quran and Bible is another such example – even the most current is still from the dark ages, and has a&nbsp; dark ages attitude that it still supports today.<br /><br />Does someone have the right to express the belief that, lets say, gay people expressing their love in a physical way is inherently evil? If so, how far are they allowed to go? Even if they have the right to freedom of expression, should we tolerate intolerance on the grounds that intolerance is wrong? If so, why is religious intolerance more tolerable than ordinary household racism, or bigotry, or anti-Semitism? And what about the fact that because so many people keep the world safe for religion and/or support religion actively, they are keeping a set of divisive, intolerant and regularly homicidal systems in place? Could open criticism or even active resistance to religion not be seen as an act of self-defense by someone like me, who does not want to see his children blown to bits by people who believe in an invisible man in the sky? Anyone who says that this is an exaggeration should remember I live in Ireland – over here, being blown up over what brand of Christianity is dominant in your neighborhood is <br />not unthinkable at all – it is recent history and living memory. It is real, and deadly.<br /><br />To state that in order to believe something, you need a reason to believe it to be true is decried as Scientism, as just another fundamentalist stance. But this is simply not the case – it is a mere common-sense approach. If you show an atheist proof that God exists, that atheist will immediately say he or she was wrong, because atheism it is not an absolute position. It merely states that there is no reason to believe otherwise, and that since we have far more elegant and useful models to explain things than “God did it” we see no reason to think a god exists. If proof would be forthcoming, we would change our minds immediately. The fact that god remains undetectable by any means at our disposal is the real reason that we seem so staunchly entrenched in our point if view. Show me proof of god, and I will believe. But I have never seen any, and frankly I think if there was any we would have found it by now. Plenty of people have searched for it. In the end, who knows? But I doubt it severely. In the meantime I cannot help but notice that religion without proof tends to lead to very little good and a whole lot of bad.<br /><br />Another thing I notice is that Theists love to point at a small gap in any theory, and then cram God into it without any justification as to why THEIR god should go there, or any god at all, and not, say, the invisible unicorn or the flying spaghetti monster. This is a double standard – first they require that the naturalist view explains everything to incredibly exacting standards, and then they inject a supernatural entity with no more justification that “this is what we have always thought” or “because the bible says so”.<br /><br />All these objections – scientism, counter-fundamentalism, God is in the Gaps – are not really objections at all. Religion gives no other answer than “It Is Done By Magic”, which is the same as no answer at all. Religion does not have the answers it claims it has. It does not teach us how to live. It does not explain how our world works. It merely says “It’s Magic” or "Because God Said So" and leaves it at that. In return, we are expected to revere it, fund it, allow it to corrupt scientific education, exempt it from taxation and generally refrain from openly criticizing it.<br /><br />The need for an impenetrable mystery that is somehow accessible though irrational actions, where you can gain status and importance through competitive self-denial and exaggerated obsession with guilt and ritual cleanliness seems to run deep in my culture. Being human simply doesn’t seem to be enough. People feel a need to be a part of something bigger than humanity, or even reality. Perhaps the need to control the uncontrollable, to see subjective shapes in an objective universe is simply too strong to be kept at bay by rationality. Religion gives you power over people, it makes you feel like you are part of the select few that are really in the know, it divides the world into the righteous and the depraved, and handily puts you in the bracket you want to be in. That is a tough act to compete with, if all you have to offer in return is sober rationalism. So to a degree it is understandable that religion is still clouding the judgment of so many people.<br /><br />And yet it is strange if you consider how magical the world is, how full of wonderful mysteries for us to ponder, how brave and inventive we are – and all this without the need of the supernatural. We all have a lifetime of wonder and curiosity to look forward to. Religion has nothing to offer that comes even close to it. Why is it so hard for us to stop pretending that it does?<br /></b></i><br />
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		<title>Vivisectus, a personal transition</title>
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Hi guys. Long time no see!These days, when people ask me about my religious beliefs, I describe myself as a stark raving Atheist, and that I believe that religion is bad for you. Originally I didn’t want to have this point of view, but I started a d...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/cssDc-WgHk6at92cUj5vKWsaKwg/0/da"><img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/cssDc-WgHk6at92cUj5vKWsaKwg/0/di" border="0" ismap="true"/></a><br />
<a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/cssDc-WgHk6at92cUj5vKWsaKwg/1/da"><img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/cssDc-WgHk6at92cUj5vKWsaKwg/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"/></a></p><i><b>Hi guys. Long time no see!<br /><br />These days, when people ask me about my religious beliefs, I describe myself as a stark raving Atheist, and that I believe that religion is bad for you. Originally I didn’t want to have this point of view, but I started a discussion on this site months ago (a year ago? Has it really been that long?) and after a while I ran out of objections to the idea that religion is bad. When I look at it good and hard, I simply cannot escape the conclusion that religion is, at its best, slowing our progress as enlightened, rational human beings. At its worst, it is actually killing us. In return we get a little bit of solace, some social clubs and a bit of charity, although the charities tend to have some missionary strings attached.<br /><br />One of the objections Theists have to this point of view is that they feel we cannot be moral without a God. However, we do not actually base our morality on holy books – we simply pick and choose from them the bits that seem moral to us. There are few Christians who feel it would be moral to offer their daughters to be raped in stead of a guest, for instance. In stead they focus on the bits that sound nicer, and claim that the ones they don’t like are allegorical. But if it is people doing the choosing, then that means that the morality is in the people, not in the book. If you took bible-morality at face value, you would (1) have to develop multiple personality disorder, because it regularly contradicts itself and (2) be considered a dangerous maniac, and certainly unfit to raise children. The only other option is for a human being to choose how to interpret it, and which bits to take seriously and literally, and which bits to treat as allegorical fairytales. This means the moral choice is made by people, in spite of what the bible says. <br /><br />Another objection is that everyone has a right to believe what they want. This is true, but within limits. Unfortunately, almost every religion teaches intolerance that is not compatible with modern morals. The religious take on homosexuality is a great example of this. Few people these days believe that you should be treated differently for being gay, yet almost all religions teach that it is in fact a sin, and most even go on to say that homosexuals should be put to death, or that they will suffer terrible punishments for their sexuality in the afterlife. The attitude towards women in the Torah, Quran and Bible is another such example – even the most current is still from the dark ages, and has a&nbsp; dark ages attitude that it still supports today.<br /><br />Does someone have the right to express the belief that, lets say, gay people expressing their love in a physical way is inherently evil? If so, how far are they allowed to go? Even if they have the right to freedom of expression, should we tolerate intolerance on the grounds that intolerance is wrong? If so, why is religious intolerance more tolerable than ordinary household racism, or bigotry, or anti-Semitism? And what about the fact that because so many people keep the world safe for religion and/or support religion actively, they are keeping a set of divisive, intolerant and regularly homicidal systems in place? Could open criticism or even active resistance to religion not be seen as an act of self-defense by someone like me, who does not want to see his children blown to bits by people who believe in an invisible man in the sky? Anyone who says that this is an exaggeration should remember I live in Ireland – over here, being blown up over what brand of Christianity is dominant in your neighborhood is <br />not unthinkable at all – it is recent history and living memory. It is real, and deadly.<br /><br />To state that in order to believe something, you need a reason to believe it to be true is decried as Scientism, as just another fundamentalist stance. But this is simply not the case – it is a mere common-sense approach. If you show an atheist proof that God exists, that atheist will immediately say he or she was wrong, because atheism it is not an absolute position. It merely states that there is no reason to believe otherwise, and that since we have far more elegant and useful models to explain things than “God did it” we see no reason to think a god exists. If proof would be forthcoming, we would change our minds immediately. The fact that god remains undetectable by any means at our disposal is the real reason that we seem so staunchly entrenched in our point if view. Show me proof of god, and I will believe. But I have never seen any, and frankly I think if there was any we would have found it by now. Plenty of people have searched for it. In the end, who knows? But I doubt it severely. In the meantime I cannot help but notice that religion without proof tends to lead to very little good and a whole lot of bad.<br /><br />Another thing I notice is that Theists love to point at a small gap in any theory, and then cram God into it without any justification as to why THEIR god should go there, or any god at all, and not, say, the invisible unicorn or the flying spaghetti monster. This is a double standard – first they require that the naturalist view explains everything to incredibly exacting standards, and then they inject a supernatural entity with no more justification that “this is what we have always thought” or “because the bible says so”.<br /><br />All these objections – scientism, counter-fundamentalism, God is in the Gaps – are not really objections at all. Religion gives no other answer than “It Is Done By Magic”, which is the same as no answer at all. Religion does not have the answers it claims it has. It does not teach us how to live. It does not explain how our world works. It merely says “It’s Magic” or "Because God Said So" and leaves it at that. In return, we are expected to revere it, fund it, allow it to corrupt scientific education, exempt it from taxation and generally refrain from openly criticizing it.<br /><br />The need for an impenetrable mystery that is somehow accessible though irrational actions, where you can gain status and importance through competitive self-denial and exaggerated obsession with guilt and ritual cleanliness seems to run deep in my culture. Being human simply doesn’t seem to be enough. People feel a need to be a part of something bigger than humanity, or even reality. Perhaps the need to control the uncontrollable, to see subjective shapes in an objective universe is simply too strong to be kept at bay by rationality. Religion gives you power over people, it makes you feel like you are part of the select few that are really in the know, it divides the world into the righteous and the depraved, and handily puts you in the bracket you want to be in. That is a tough act to compete with, if all you have to offer in return is sober rationalism. So to a degree it is understandable that religion is still clouding the judgment of so many people.<br /><br />And yet it is strange if you consider how magical the world is, how full of wonderful mysteries for us to ponder, how brave and inventive we are – and all this without the need of the supernatural. We all have a lifetime of wonder and curiosity to look forward to. Religion has nothing to offer that comes even close to it. Why is it so hard for us to stop pretending that it does?<br /></b></i><br />
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