Kevin Kaatz, an occasional writer here at this blog and friend, has posted a phone call from anti-gay advocate, Stacy Harp to yours truly from about a year and a 1/2 ago. It was definitely before I learned about Nonviolent Communication (Marshal Rosenberg, PhD) and before I was trained as a mediator which has given me some stronger communication skills. The call is offensive and contains some strong and graphic language (most of it not from me and my normal truck driver mouth.) You can listen to the call at Kevin’s Space.
Stacy Harp is a charismatic anti-gay, anti-evolution and very conservative Christian who truly believes that being gay is sick and disgusting. While she claims in this post that she is not a former lesbian or ex-gay, in an email to me dated March 5, 2006 Stacy wrote, “… I understand the struggle with homosexuality personally because for years I had those intense feelings for women. However, as a Christian I knew it was wrong, and so I entered therapy and during my time in therapy I came to understand why I felt that way.” She continued on about the reason she believes she had those feelings listing some personal experiences that lead her to that path. I am confused about what is the truth from Stacy and if she is not a former lesbian, why did she claim she was? I would value some clarity about this.
I have been following Stacy Harp’s online antics for almost 2 years. I have tried my best to address each issue concerning her with the up most respect and hope I have done so successfully. I do have to admit her anti-gay rhetoric and her desire for attention through multiple websites, an online radio show called “The Right View” and now BLOGtv scare me. I value a world where people are safe and I fear for the safety of gays and lesbians in a world where radio, tv and the web have a constant barrage of negative and untrue messages picturing us as enemies that need to be defeated in a cultural war.
She is the president of a business venture called Active Christian Media which appears to mostly review books. With all of these platforms, Stacy has presented a constant barrage of negative and often inaccurate pictures of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. Her messages about gays and lesbians crosses the line from religious opposition to hate speech by the constant negativity and call to arms themes contained in the messages.
She has said several times, as with many anti-gay Christians, that she is being attacked for her beliefs in god. Many anti-gay Christians will make the claim, Stacy included, that they are being attacked or “vilified” for preaching the gospel. That is a false claim. No one is attacking them, no one is trying to silence their beliefs in god, but I and others like me are very concerned about the misinformation Stacy is spreading about GLBT folks. As you will see in her claims about homosexuality, few of her comments about homosexuality are a “Gospel” message. Most of her claims are science and bad science at that. (I am sure it won’t belong before this post is considered an attack, but I feel comfortable that I have tried to remain objective here and only present the facts and respectful commentary)
This is the same Stacy Harp who hosted the radio show where the guest claimed that the new trend for gays in Chicago was to have “sex with infants”. While Stacy did apologize for that radio show, she has continued to spread her anti-gay message beyond it. For the most part Stacy has been a bulletin board for other anti-gay groups by reposting on her site their anti-gay press releases and promoting their shows. She tends to lend her support to those fallen like Larry Craig, Sally Kern, Ted Haggert saying the gays are always wrong. I personal feel uneasy and concerned that anyone supports a message like Sally Kern’s, who claims gays are a bigger threat to America than Cancer or terrorism.
She often refers to gays and lesbians as “sodomites” and “militant homosexuals” but then claims she is being vilified should anyone call her out on how offensive those things are. It is my wish that Stacy just stick to other subjects or keep her opposition to homosexuality within the limits of the bible messages about homosexuality. Keep the false science, mean-spirited names and negative images out of the conversation for they do no one any good.
As for the phone call posted at Kevin’s site, I wanted to post a few random bullets about it:
1) I do in fact advocate teaching kids young about diversity, with the horrors I see on Tv, I would like kids to get along from the get go without stereotypes and false images of GLBT folks.
2) I did hear Stacy ask in the beginning that she was recording the call “for her protection”. I am not sure what she felt she needed protection from or what she was afraid of, but I did consent to the call. I know some think I was recorded without consent, that is simply not true.
2) I do wish I had not tried to defend myself or my beliefs. I should have just hung up or empathized with Stacy’s feelings of disgust and her need to be heard. You can hear me say in the beginning of the call “but that’s not true” and if I have learned anything from NVC, it is “never to throw your ‘but’ into the face of an angry person. I used the word “but” way too many times in this conversation. I am working on removing the phrase, “but I” from my vocabulary. I am also working on responding to difficult messages with empathy rather than a need to correct information. You can always correct it later, first just listen. I wonder how this call would have went if I had used the process of Nonviolent Communication as taught by Marshall Rosenberg.
3) It truly is no ones business what my partner and I do in bed, but there is so much more to a relationship then sex. If a relationship is based on sex, it isn’t going to last long and my partner and I will celebrate 8 years together next month. The fight for equality isn’t about sex, it is about safety, equality in health care, insurance, medical issues and adoption issues. These don’t happen in the bedroom, they happen in our courts, doctor’s offices, schools and hospitals. They happen on our streets where many a person both gay and straight has been slain or beaten for being perceived as gay.
4) I truly believe in the bottom of my heart that all people are basically well-meaning and have the best intentions. I feel confident that people try to do the right thing, the moral thing that meets their needs even if they cause harm in the process. What I do hope is that when people see harm or cause it, that they stop it.
5) I would have a deep appreciation that anyone who responds or writes about this phone call do so respectfully. There is no need to call Stacy names or be mean-spirited. I don’t want to be a person that calls others mean-spirited names. I can’t make others want to be that person, but if you can think of no other reason to be respectful, please do it to meet my need of nonviolence in the world. There is far too much spiritual, mental, and physical violence in the world. Calling people names will not win your argument.