[6:29:53 PM] Reed Braden says: Hi there.
[6:30:08 PM] Brian Sapient says: i thought you said our conversation was confidential? also you said you supported dawkins, why would you write that and let the meme get out there?
[6:30:53 PM] Brian Sapient says: i believe you have just let a bad course of blogs set in motion
[6:30:59 PM] Reed Braden says: With no signed contract, all bets are off when the conversation becomes slanderous.
[6:31:06 PM] Brian Sapient says: within 24 hours 10 prominent christian sites will accuse dawkins of this
[6:31:14 PM] Reed Braden says: A bad course for you, yes.
[6:31:27 PM] Reed Braden says: I don't see why.
[6:31:28 PM] Brian Sapient says: we can stand by what we say, this hurts rdf
[6:31:44 PM] Reed Braden says: Why would a Christian site trust info that came from you?
[6:31:46 PM] Brian Sapient says: if you really cared about slander you'd just write rdf
[6:31:49 PM] Brian Sapient says: not the public
[6:32:04 PM] Brian Sapient says: guarantee 2 blogs will have it within 12 hours
[6:32:10 PM] Brian Sapient says: i'll link you when they come in
[6:32:10 PM] Reed Braden says: And it hurts Richard Dawkins to slander him, not to publicly support him
[6:32:14 PM] Brian Sapient says: then the meme spreads
[6:32:22 PM] Reed Braden says: They might have the story, and so what?
[6:32:31 PM] Reed Braden says: Dawkins can handle the allegations.
[6:32:32 PM] Brian Sapient says: viral enemy, theists will use it, claim to trust it, only because it hurts rdf (and or us)
[6:33:04 PM] Brian Sapient says: if you believe he can, i think that is what you will have to live with down the road if he can't.
[6:33:07 PM] Reed Braden says: And any one of us who has the source of the information (you) can easily show that the source is so weak it undermines the whole argument.
[6:33:26 PM] Brian Sapient says: i'm not discussing it with you
[6:33:30 PM] Reed Braden says: Sorry to say this, but even gullible theists who take everything literally won't trust what comes out of your mouth.
[6:33:36 PM] Reed Braden says: You seem to be.
[6:33:50 PM] Brian Sapient says: guaranteed I know someone who will blog it and make it appear true
[6:34:17 PM] Brian Sapient says: they have google alerts on prominent atheists
[6:34:17 PM] Reed Braden says: Okay... and I know many more who can defend Dawkins much more elegantly than I can.
[6:34:30 PM] Brian Sapient says: with what?
[6:34:37 PM] Reed Braden says: I have Google Alerts on Dawkins as well and I can read their tripe
[6:34:43 PM] Brian Sapient says: how can someone prove that RD is NOT having an affair?
[6:34:49 PM] Reed Braden says: Hmm... Slate.com ring any bells?
[6:34:50 PM] Brian Sapient says: it sort of like proving there is no god
[6:35:18 PM] Brian Sapient says: i don't see any defense that anyone could really use for him
[6:35:22 PM] Brian Sapient says: not a good one at least
[6:35:28 PM] Brian Sapient says: you didn't think this through
[6:35:37 PM] Reed Braden says: Well, the can prove that the person spreading the accusation has an axe to grind and is untrustworthy.
[6:35:47 PM] Brian Sapient says: if you were mad and wanted to do us wrong, you could have at least saved RDF the public stress
[6:35:52 PM] Reed Braden says: I thought it through long and hard.
[6:36:26 PM] Reed Braden says: You're trying to make me feel bad and guilty. It's not working. Dawkins is a big boy and he can handle your tiny slander.
[6:36:29 PM] Brian Sapient says: i hope you reconsider sending the message directly to rdf, i can live with the consequences, i suggest you pull it from the web
[6:36:32 PM] Reed Braden says: He gets slander all the time.
[6:36:39 PM] Brian Sapient says: seriously
[6:36:45 PM] Brian Sapient says: look at what im saying
[6:36:51 PM] Brian Sapient says: send it to em if you have to
[6:36:52 PM] Reed Braden says: I suggest you stop trying to save your own ass.
[6:36:56 PM] Brian Sapient says: just pull it from the web
[6:37:10 PM] Brian Sapient says: you have slandered too, u don't realize that?
[6:37:16 PM] Reed Braden says: Are you trying to pressure me into self-censoring?
[6:37:27 PM] Brian Sapient says: no, have your views
[6:37:29 PM] Reed Braden says: I just reported what i saw.
[6:37:39 PM] Brian Sapient says: just dont hurt rdf if your goal is to help it
[6:37:45 PM] Brian Sapient says: if your goal is to hurt it, you've done fine
[6:37:52 PM] Reed Braden says: The only possible slander is "Kelly's Tits", but she seems to be proud enough of them.
[6:37:58 PM] Brian Sapient says: no that's not
[6:38:05 PM] Brian Sapient says: that's parody
[6:38:08 PM] Brian Sapient says: perfectly legal
[6:38:15 PM] Reed Braden says: You're the one who is hurting RDF. I'm hurting no one but you and your credibility.
[6:38:23 PM] Reed Braden says: I said "possible"
[6:38:41 PM] Brian Sapient says: you are the only group that story was ever conveyed to, and would have been the only group ever
[6:39:05 PM] Reed Braden says: I doubt that.
[6:39:13 PM] Brian Sapient says: i'd still keep my mouth shut too, but know you force me to defend what i said when someone asks me
[6:39:18 PM] Reed Braden says: But you have to admit. (And remember, I'm gay... I'm no threat) Kelly has nice ones. And, that said, I think we're done here.
[6:39:40 PM] Reed Braden says: You said what you said. I forced you to give evidence. You didn't. Bye.
[6:39:59 PM] Brian Sapient says: you understand this isn't abnout me and you right?
[6:40:06 PM] Brian Sapient says: theists want this info
[6:40:14 PM] Reed Braden says: It's false info.
[6:40:16 PM] Brian Sapient says: they'll accept it
[6:40:18 PM] Reed Braden says: It's speculation.
[6:40:20 PM] Reed Braden says: It's faith.
[6:40:23 PM] Brian Sapient says: they'll accept it
[6:40:28 PM] Brian Sapient says: they'll talk about it
[6:40:35 PM] Brian Sapient says: a divorce could happen
[6:40:41 PM] Brian Sapient says: it's bad what you did
[6:40:43 PM] Brian Sapient says: really bad
[6:40:50 PM] Brian Sapient says: link me
[6:40:59 PM] Reed Braden says: So? That doesn't make it true, nor does it make his work any less potent, nor will it ring true to Lalla. I'm sure she knows her husband is loyal.
[6:41:03 PM] Brian Sapient says: i'll point out slander if it means you'd take it down.
[6:41:14 PM] Reed Braden says: Is that a threat?
[6:41:19 PM] Brian Sapient says: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[6:41:26 PM] Brian Sapient says: you don't know
[6:41:31 PM] Reed Braden says: No, I do.
[6:41:36 PM] Brian Sapient says: ok
[6:41:43 PM] Reed Braden says: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[6:41:51 PM] Reed Braden says: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[6:41:54 PM] Brian Sapient says: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[6:42:20 PM] Reed Braden says: You're just miffed that RDFRS won't let you follow Prof. Dawkins anymore and you're trying to get the woman who cock-blocked you fired.
[6:42:26 PM] Brian Sapient says: i only hope to sway you to understand this will hurt rdf, and you claim that you support him, this seems hypocritical
[6:42:28 PM] Reed Braden says: So, like I said, I'm done here.
[6:42:30 PM] Reed Braden says: Bye.
[6:42:57 PM] Brian Sapient says: reed, that's fine... you can send that message to rdf if you want, i can take the heat
[6:43:07 PM] Brian Sapient says: i don't think you should have rdf take the heat
[6:43:51 PM] Brian Sapient says: you realize if a slander case is brought on us, i'd have to sue you for the same in order to clear myself? (and I would) And it's not a threat, it''s how the law would work.
[6:44:21 PM] Brian Sapient says: please reconsider
[6:44:28 PM] Brian Sapient says: i'm not trying to be mean
[6:44:35 PM] Brian Sapient says: sorry you've not liken us
[6:44:43 PM] Brian Sapient says: or don't like us
[6:44:45 PM] Brian Sapient says: or trust us
[6:44:53 PM] Brian Sapient says: but please consider it for the benefit of richard
[6:45:03 PM] Brian Sapient says: it could get ugly for him, you know that
[6:45:07 PM] Brian Sapient says: i hope you do
[6:46:47 PM] Brian Sapient says: if u see a christian blog it, would you pull it?
[6:47:03 PM] Reed Braden says: No. I will rebut it. Good night.
[6:47:19 PM] Brian Sapient says: there you go... he blogged it...
[6:47:20 PM] Brian Sapient says: http://rationalresponders.blogspot.com/2008/01/atheists-say-its-time-to-drop-rational.html
[6:47:35 PM] Brian Sapient says: that's a guy we're currently taking to federal court for libel
[6:47:41 PM] Brian Sapient says: and cybersquatting
[6:48:01 PM] Brian Sapient says: now he's got hundreds of pastors and shit that eat up everything he says
[6:48:10 PM] Brian Sapient says: and then shit hits fan for rd
[6:48:16 PM] Brian Sapient says: way to go kid
[6:48:30 PM] Brian Sapient says: clearly the dumbest move i've seen an atheist make in all my years of activism
[6:48:36 PM] Brian Sapient says: at least on the scale of enormity
[6:48:40 PM] Reed Braden says: Actually, this article is about you. Not Richard. This is exactly what I wanted.
[6:48:52 PM] Reed Braden says: So please stop messaging me. I don't want to have to block you.
[6:49:10 PM] Brian Sapient says: every blog he's written looks like that idiot
[6:49:28 PM] Brian Sapient says: he would've had some other subject matter if it wasn't this
[6:49:32 PM] Brian Sapient says: look at his post yesterday
[6:49:45 PM] Brian Sapient says: have of it are lies
[6:50:02 PM] Brian Sapient says: you don't see, you brought rd into the heat
[6:50:06 PM] Brian Sapient says: im already on it
[6:50:10 PM] Brian Sapient says: it's what i do for a living
[6:50:12 PM] Brian Sapient says: sit on it
[6:50:15 PM] Brian Sapient says: i can take it all day
[6:50:19 PM] Brian Sapient says: he can't
[6:50:24 PM] Brian Sapient says: not that kind of hear
[6:50:27 PM] Brian Sapient says: heatr
[6:50:31 PM] Brian Sapient says: that's scandalous
[6:51:19 PM] Brian Sapient says: you could have written a public article about us without some of the details and still come out "against us."
[6:51:26 PM] Brian Sapient says: and fired off the letter to rdf
[6:51:39 PM] Brian Sapient says: then you would've done your supposed good deed for the day
[6:52:00 PM] Brian Sapient says: this is one deed i hope you remember for a long time, it was a bad move kiddo
[6:52:10 PM] Reed Braden says: You're irritating. I'm blocking you.
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