Sacrilege can get people killed. It can cause riots and economic mayhem. People die over a sense of offended propriety. And whose fault is that?
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When we last left the never-ending thread, the subject was cooking. Eat this!
One thing that annoys me in these shows is the completely uncritical acceptance of a culture's primitive beliefs in sympathetic magic. It's meat, people. It's got no powers other than the basic, material ones of providing nutrients.
Read the comments on this post...One question that atheists often get asked is: Why don’t you support Christian missionaries who help so many people in poverty-stricken countries?
It’s certainly wonderful that they have the ability and generosity to do the good work — I wish atheists had more of both — but there’s a reason we don’t like the way some churches do it.
Case in point, Pastor Frank Amedia of Touch Heaven Ministries, who has been distributing food in Haiti:
“We would give food to the needy in the short term but if they refused to give up Voodoo, I’m not sure we would continue to support them in the long term because we wouldn’t want to perpetuate that practice. We equate it with witchcraft, which is contrary to the Gospel.”
To paraphrase: We want to help them… but only if they convert to Christianity.
Amedia has been receiving some well-deserved criticism for this cold-hearted remarks. How has he responded?
I responded to a direct question from [AP reporter] Paisley [Dodds] which asked: “What would I do if I knew the person in need was a voodoo worshipper?” I responded that we would help them, but that everything we do is for the Glory of God and that we are committed to share our hearts. She then expanded her question to ask “Would I continue to help them knowing they were still practicing Voodoo?” I responded that I would show them our love by helping them and that I would hope to become their friend, and then as their friend, that our compassion and love might be the difference to lead them to Christ. She then asked “How long would we continue to supply them?” To that I answered that “I am not sure we could continue to support them in the long term because we would not want to perpetuate that process. We equate [voodoo] with witchcraft, which is contrary to the Gospel.”
So… he takes none of it back.
If I were a Christian public relations expert (and I *fully* claim to be one), here’s what I would tell other Christians in Amedia’s position to say:
We will continue giving food to Haitians who need it because that’s what our faith commands us to do. I would love it if, through our actions, those who received the food thought about why our faith compels us to act this way, but even if they don’t change their minds, we will still help our fellow brothers and sisters.
That is much more difficult position for atheists to attack.
Amedia represents the side of Christianity that drives people away from the church. Good. Let him keep talking; let him keep digging that hole for himself.
Those who give aid to victims of a tragedy with no expectations in return are far more generous than Christians like Amedia who want something in exchange for it. People like him are despicable.
Ted Olsen at Christianity Today asks an interesting hypothetical question to his readers:
If you aided someone for years and years and they never became a Christian, would you consider your efforts wasted?
(Thanks to Char for the link)
Prepare for another round of “climategate,” misinformation and distortion of climate change news. This time conservative news media, denier organisations and bloggers will be concentrating on the current inquiries taking place in the UK. These will be considering issues related to the illegal hacking and release of emails from the Climate Research Unit and the University of East Anglia. One of these is the Science and Technology Committee of the UK Parliament inquiry which hears oral submissions this week.
Already we have seen some selective and biased reporting of written submissions and I am sure this will continue. However, there are important issues at stake to do with freedom of information (FOI), harassment of scientists and the responsibility of those making freedom of information requests or using publicly available data. I hope the inquiries will deal with the underlying principles as well as making determinations on the specific cases considered.
Clearly many of the FOI requests made to the CRU were malicious. The UEA submissions says:
“In July 2009 UEA received an unprecedented, and frankly administratively overwhelming, deluge of FOIA requests related to CRU. These amounted to 61 requests out of a 2009 total of 107 related to CRU, compared to annual totals of 2 in 2008 and 4 in 2007 (University totals for those years were 204, 72 and 44 respectively).”
I wonder if the requesters were building up to something?
(Graphics thanks to Going on a Bear Hunt).
Malicious FOI requests in New Zealand
The recent FOI request made to NIWA by the NZ Climate Science Coalition (CSC) was also surely malicious (and timed to coincide with “climategate). The CSC is a climate change denier group which works closely with the ACT Party and the local right wing think tank The Centre for Political Research. The latter is also linked to the usual oveseas conservative organisations like The Heartland Insitute and conservative media like The American Thinker.
The CSC pretend they are only trying to keep NIWA honest. That they are doing “peer review.” But the quality of their discredited report “Are we warmer yet?” indicates they are not capable of scientific review (see NZ’s denier-gate, Peer Review for the Climate “Science” Coalition and NZ sceptics lie about temp records, try to smear top scientist).
They admit their interest is political not science. And the FOI requests and other demands on NIWA are clearly of the “when are you going to stop beating your wife?” type.
The CSC’s agenda is to discredit honest New Zealand scientists. Not peer review.
Now I hope the UK parliamentary review will consider this malicious aspect of many FOI requests and make recommendations for its treatment.
Public data and responsibility
Most people welcome the idea that data should be publicly available or accessible. I think research institutions are moving in that direction as they get their databases off paper and on-line.
But, surely with availability should come responsibility. This is a problem with denier organisations and individuals who consistently misrepresent data or use it selectively. The local deniers, the CSC, did this with the publicly available NIWA data. They presented the data in an irresponsible format (denying the need for site adjustments) and drew the wrong conclusions. Their report was then used to attack NZ scientists and to attempt to discredit their database. They used the data for political, not scientific, purposes.
I don’t know how such groups can be encouraged to behave responsibly. But surely they should be exposed to some of the same requirements our scientists must adhere to with this data. Requirements of peer review and transparency.
Unethical behaviour of local deniers
For example, how did the NZ CSC produce their report? Ask them and their answer will depend on the day of the week. On the one hand they claim that they did not have any scientific input or checking of their “research paper.” Later they did talk about a “science team” being involved – but the team wished to “remain anonymous.” They also acknowledge some science checking after their member Vincent Gray admitted to having that responsibility and acknowledged being mistaken in not having picked them up on their claim that no site adjustments were necessary.
While their rejection of the need for site adjustments was their biggest “mistake” there also appears to be something wrong with the data they used or its manipulation in the “paper.” I have asked them for information on their methodology and been told to go away. They also say that a snowball has more chance of surviving in hell than I have getting one of the “science team” to discuss things.
The refusal of the CSC to enable scrutiny of the methods used in their report may not be illegal, but it is unethical. It also indicates that they have a low confidence in the scientific credibility of the report. They are certainly in no moral postion to criticise the work of scientists in the manner they have.
So what about the requesters of official information also having responsibilities. Perhaps their treatment of data should be open to the same inspection normally given scientific reports. Perhaps they should have the same obligations to reveal data and methodologies that scientists are under.
The imposition of a “level playing field”, a requirement that requesters permit the same level of transparency required of scientists, might help limit malicious FOI requests.
See also:
The Independent Climate Change Email inquiry.
Correspondence between University of East Anglia and the Information Commissioner’s Office
The Science and Technology Committee of the UK Parliament:
The disclosure of climate data from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia
Submitted memoranda from over 50 individuals and organisations.

Let me attempt a short list for why Atheists criticize religious people:
- Faulty thinking
- Oppressive social preferences (from #1)
- Oppressive political agendas (by legislating #2)
Do you have other categories?
My site criticizes all these points. But I also try to reel-in the over-reach of such criticisms. As a “Sympathetic Atheist“, here are my reasons:
- Religious folks can be incredibly logical, organized and brilliantly systematic.
- Religious folks can be doing wonderful work on both society and themselves
- Religious believes can be supportive and helpful for many individuals
- Atheists and Religious Believers alike are guilty of faulty thinking all the time.
- Believers can sometimes teach us things that are far more important than our criticisms
Luke Muehlhauser, who is also a sympathetic atheist, just did a brilliant post at “Common Sense Atheism” explaining a naturalistic moral system. His post was inspired by a debate between an Atheist (James Corbett) and a Christian (Sean McDowell) where the Atheist lost miserably and Luke tells you why. Luke’s moral system is not the main point of the post, instead it is how Luke goes about evaluating and answering McDowell’s arguments. He feels James Corbett (the atheist) did a horrible job and here tells us one of the main reasons for his failure is that he assumed point “a” above:
This shows the problem with atheists believing they are, by default, more rational than believers. Atheists don’t think they need to study the relevant subjects, or pay attention to the logic of the Christian’s position.
–Luke
Luke’s post is long — not a common diet for us blog readers — but incredibly instructive because the average religious believer feels a world without God would be immoral. In dialoguing with Christians, this is an issue which is perhaps not discussed but is crucial to their intuitions. Knowing how to bring that intuition to the foreground and approach the objections is important. And besides, I really think that most of us falsely assume we really understand why we ourselves hold the moral positions we do.
Tagged: Atheism, Christianity, Religion

There was a natural disaster somewhere, so I opened my mailbox to find lots of links to Pat Robertson saying stupid things about the Chilean earthquake, like this one and this one and this one and this one.
Sorry, gang, I don't believe it. Not only do I expect that nowadays, when his staff at the radio and television stations hear about a disaster, the first thought in their heads is how to stifle Pat, but some of those accounts are clearly satire, and they all say something different. It's become the obvious expectation that Robertson will blame something stupid for natural events, and everyone is jumping the gun. Write to me when you've got video straight from the 700 Club, and not before.
Read the comments on this post...I’m back!
In the past three weeks, I’ve had several recognisable turning points in my life. The moment with the deepest impact on my online life and the work I do on this blog is the night I met my new, dear friend Morgan Freeman. (Name changed out of courtesy.)
Morgan Freeman is a Christian who believes in the teachings of Jesus Christ more fervently than most people I’ve met in all my time growing up in various churches. He also has a very tall mohawk, listens to music that would torture any angel, plays with knives and smokes pot.
Between my long talks with Morgan Freeman and having him with me as a friend while I went though some unpleasant health issues I’ve learned a lot about myself, mainly that I haven’t learned anything worth knowing about myself in my twenty years of studying those around me and trying to figure out how other people work. On the night I met Morgan Freeman, I met the straight version of who I would have been if I stayed with the Christian faith.
All of my other friends are either Atheists, agnostics or apathetic about their stated religions, so my conversations with Morgan Freeman are an eye-opening refresher course on real Christians and how they think. Unlike my other Christian acquaintances, Morgan Freeman isn’t just someone to debate and occasionally tease; he’s someone I can stay up all night with and climb a parking garage to smoke a cigarette and watch the sunrise.
We both keep each other in check, challenging each others’ beliefs and demanding evidence were necessary. Occasionally our conversations seem like a rapidly cycling demonstration of the old hypothetical of what would happen if an unstoppable object met an immovable surface, but because of those conversations I am forced to look back on what I believe and reconsider the evidence with an open and rational mind.
I can safely say now that Morgan Freeman is one of my most cherished friends, simply for the way we’ve been able to challenge each other and shape each other’s perspective on life. I went into my hiatus worrying that I might be at the end of my life with escalating health problems and came out of it three weeks later with a brand new life and a good friend to share it with.
Oh… and expect a podcast to come out of this new friendship.
The bible approves slavery. Make no mistake. It doesn’t look the other way or remain silent on the issue. It treats slavery exactly as marriage, as a divinely approved institution that mirrors the relationship between Jesus and the church.
Don’t wince, Christian! Both testaments are replete with instructions governing the relations of master and slave. Never is the institution condemned nor is it ever commanded in the name of God that a slave be freed or forbidden a Christian to own slaves.
The bible endorses slavery and gives instructions on the proper roles and godly conduct for both Christian masters and servants (or husbands and wives, for that matter) on the ground that human relations should reflect God-human relations.
In Romans 1:1, we find Paul introducing himself: “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God.”
The Greek word translated here as servant is doulos and it’s used extensively of both Christians and the Christian life. It carries the literal meaning of a slave or bondman or a person of servile position.
Here is a biblical example of its use by a human master referring to his literal servants: For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant (doulos), Do this, and he doeth it. (Mt. 8:9)
It can also be used as a willing servitude with particular emphasis on a disregard for one’s self-interest. This is the sense that Paul claimed for himself in Romans 1:1 and that Jesus demanded in Matthew 16:24:
”Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”
First, notice that Jesus was talking to his disciples, those that came to him to learn. That’s not enough. To really follow, you have to enter into slavery. A sort of eternal indentured servitude.
Christian, are you willing to be a slave of Jesus Christ and to submit to his rules of slavery in your own life?
The emphasis on slaves of God is consistent throughout the entire New Testament:
Both James and Jude begin their letters by identifying themselves as Jesus’ slaves.
Eleven times in Revelation, Christians are called slaves of God.
At least 20 times in Matthew alone Jesus used directly or metaphorically referred to his followers and/or the “citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven” as slaves (doulous).
In that vain, Revelation 22:6 describes heaven itself as the perpetual servitude to God as a slave:
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his slaves shall serve him:
This is why slavery is commended in the Bible. It’s the Christian system. Slavery isn’t ipso facto wrong. Much to the contrary: It’s the relationship Jesus wants (and will have) with Christians.
If the Bible were to instruct that slavery is a human abomination, it would necessarily be the result of sin. But, as slavery is the nature of the restored relationship between God and men, renouncing impugning slavery would be impugning the (restored) divine-human relationship.
That is why the Bible prescribes the practice of slavery and gives instructions on how to own and be owned in a godly way.
Hence, the many human societies that have come to forbid slavery have taken an ungodly and anti-biblical position that good, bible-believing Christians should renounce as vehemently as they renounce societies “undermining the Divine Institution of Marriage.”
Don’t do such a thing, Christian! Just as you love the Lord Jesus Christ and seek to honor him in your marriage as a reflection of Christ and his Church, so too seek to honor him in your slave relations!
If you should be placed by God as a slave, be a faithful servant as to your Slave Owner in heaven! And if God should bless you to own others, be a just and compassionate owner, as your Slave Owner in heaven!
Amen.
by VorJack
Here in Albany, the most famous of our odd Christian sects were the Shakers. Today the Shakers are most known for their furniture and their celibacy, but in 18th century they were known for their group dances.
The dances became a tourist attraction of a sort. The hall where the Shakers danced actually has benches in the back for observers. I think this says something about the lack of entertainment options in colonial New York.
One of the Shaker dances was called the “hinkumbooby,” more commonly known to everyone who went through kindergarten as the “hokey pokey,” (or the “hokey cokey” and other variants.)
Why would the Shakers be doing such an odd dance? Well, according to one legend, the “hokey pokey” is actually a derisive joke mocking the Catholic Mass, and in particular the Eucharist. The motions mock the “sit-stand-kneel” routine of the Mass itself, while the nonsense word that makes up the title supposedly mocks the magical nonsense of the Eucharist.
Maybe. The BS Historian grants it only a “plausible,” and I’d add “barely” to that. But maybe this knowledge will be useful.
Focus on that notion, that the “hokey pokey” is actually a joke about the magical nonsense of the Eucharist. Now see if that makes the following clip -- featuring a church band playing the “Holy Ghost Hokey Pokey” and extolling its miracle working powers -- less ridiculous.
I’m guessing probably not.
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Its almost cool enough for me to begin working on my Steampunk specimen drawers. But not quite.
Thus I have for your viewing pleasure, found a cinematograph for your viewing pleasure. Wherein is described the Steampunk exhibition and Oxford.
Slightly concerned about the examples that the gentleman pictured above uses to explain certain temporal devices.
Related posts:
- Saturday Steampunk – Budget Steampunk hack “Travelling specimen drawers”
- Steampunk Saturday – Steampunk Band Abney Park
- Steampunk Saturday – Steampunk in Miniature
Ziztur claimed one of Ray Comfort’s food gift certificates and has a sincere thank-you post about it.
Ray and I completely disagree with each other theologically, and I am against a lot of the things he stands for. We’ve obviously come to completely different conclusions about the nature of morality and how the universe operates. At the same time, It is clear that Ray sincerely believes what he preaches. He sincerely believes that his god is real, that we have souls, and does not want to see said souls spend an eternity in maximal punishment.
I’ll echo something similar to something Penn Jilette said — if I sincerely believed that a meteorite were going to crush your house with you inside of it, I would do everything in my power to get you out of your house. I would not care if you believed a meteor were coming. I would not walk away because I felt it would disrespect your beliefs to drag you kicking and screaming out of your house. To leave you in your house and not bother to pull you out would make me a terrible person.
Think about that… If Ray Comfort went away, he’d be a terrible person. The other option for him is to remain annoyingly persistent.
… I’m going to go sit in the fetal position in my room and cry now.
Cross posted @ God Is 4 Suckers!
Be forewarned: the video is both heart-breaking and rage-inducing. Apparently, child sacrifice is the latest trend in Uganda. And truly, what other reason besides religious ritualism could be behind it?
And as if that wasn’t enough horrific news, there happens to be a major trend in the Congo:
12 year-old, Henri, which is not his real name, points at a large fresh looking scar on his midriff.
"People accused me of sorcery and my mother believed them," he says.
"Look, here on my stomach. She tried to kill me with a knife. It really hurt and I cannot understand why my mother did it."
Henri, who is now being given help by a children's charity, had been playing outside his home in Goma, eastern Congo, when the accusations began.
His eyes begin to water as he remembers pleading with his mother, telling her that the claims were completely untrue. Not that this made any difference.
"She threw me out of the house and told me to go away," he says.
Henri was then forced to live on the streets until charity workers convinced his mother that the allegations were untrue.
Apparently, nobody’s passing out condoms in this country either. Because obviously Henri’s mother isn’t fit to take care of her own child.
Growing problem
His is just one of a fast growing number of children accused of sorcery to come to the attention of Unicef's head of child protection in Congo, Alessandra Dentice.
"Children accused of witchcraft is unfortunately one of the major increasing child protection issues in the country," she says.
Well, anyone accusing anyone of witchcraft in this day and age means that the hugest issue of all is education. Because obviously, witchcraft is bullshit.
Unicef's latest available statistics show that around one hundred cases of child sorcery allegations were referred to them in 2008 in the North Kivu province of Eastern Congo alone.
That number increased nearly fivefold to 450 in the same area last year.
Hard to believe in the 21st century, isn’t it?
I can’t speak for anyone else, but this sort of horse manure makes me grim with rage. It is yet another of millions of indictments against the bastions of belief, the spuriousness of superstition, the rottenness of religion. It signifies those predators upon the weak, the witch doctor, the shaman, the priest, the minister. It shows us that shadows have far too much grip upon feeble psyches, a fear passed down from ancient dead men with heads up their asses. It instructs us that the road to reason is an uphill battle of near Sisyphean proportions. It teaches us that others overvalue the afterlife far too highly above this one, an empty valueless existence then, for there is no life other than here.
It is to clench the fists whitely, gnash the teeth in snarls, and growl in rage and disappointment – for all that any religion teaches is to increase suffering in a life already complicated with enough of it.
Till the next post, then.
Chris Stedman is running a contest at his website NonProphet Status in which he’s looking for (previously unpublished) personal stories from a secular perspective.
The secular stories that do get broadcast are most often volatile –- secular people taking swipes at religious people –- and reflect a divisive “us versus them” mentality. What gets told less often are the stories of people, secular and religious alike, living alongside one another peacefully and secular people expressing their own values within a diverse society. We want to hear more of these stories. We want to hear your story.
There are several categories, a distinguished panel of judges, and some nice prizes.
All the details can be found here.
Good luck!


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