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From: Daniel
To: Julio
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:05:14 AM
Subject: RE: Research Volunteers Needed
First, I will respond to your main writing.
Everything you say sounds good, and could in fact stand on it's own without Jesus, Christianity, and belief in things which go completely contrary to logic. There is nothing you've stated that requires the Bible or Jesus.
So I wonder, why does anyone need to believe in Jesus? We all can get along just fine without him, we can be good to others, we can help others. Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with it.
You mention different hierarchies in heaven. If we go to different levels of Heaven, then doesn't that mean there will be jealousy (and thus coveting) in Heaven? I thought Heaven does not have sin? On the other hand, if there are different levels of Heaven but nobody realizes it when they are there, then why in the world are there different levels? Doesn't that sound rather silly?
It seems that you focus a lot on success here on earth. As a Christian, our lives on earth should only be focused on God. You mention that you aren't perfect as Christian. Perhaps you would be a more perfect Christian if you focused more on church and Christ, as opposed to work and success? God doesn't give a damn about money or success. He only seeks a relationship with you. How can you have the best possible relationship with Christ if you are busy focusing on other things like financial freedom, something which is only temporary?
I honestly cannot see the correlation between being financially free and doing God's work. I see the correlation between being financially free and being able to do God's work in the future, but that is incorrect in God's eyes. You can die tomorrow without ever having done his work, and then what will you tell Him? "Sorry God, I was saving up? Yeah, I know I bought nice clothes and cars and food and jewelry and electronics...I was actually going to do your work AFTER that..." Have you forgotten, the rich man will find it easier to pass through the eye of the needle than gain entrance to Heaven?
Let me interrupt myself to state something completely clear, since my words may seem misleading: I find it improbable (but not impossible) that God exists, though I am certain that Jesus is not our Lord and Saviour. I know the Bible fairly well, but that doesn't mean I believe any of it. It is an ancient book, written by people similar to the Taliban. People were stoned to death because of God's words in the Bible. Women were stoned to death. Children had their heads smashed with rocks on God's orders, in the Bible. For all of the love that you speak of, you've not mentioned these things.
Even today, people are discriminated against because of the Bible. Gays are discriminated against, women are discriminated against. The only assumption we can make is that God wants this, because He himself stated it in his book. And God is perfect, he cannot make a mistake. If he wanted it then, then he wants it now.
Yet, if we throw away the Bible entirely, can't we still continue to love each other? Can't we also love the people that God hates and finds 'detestable' and 'abominable'? We can live the exact same way you've outlined below, and actually do it better, without the Bible. If you threw away the Bible tomorrow, you could accomplish the exact same things in your life. Of course, you would feel an immense amount of guilt and fear that God would punish you, and most of your church friends would stop talking to you, but you are still you. Contrary to popular opinion, the only person responsible for what you've accomplished is you. If there was a time when you were not a Christian and felt that you were strugglin, well, you made it didn't you? Give yourself the credit, not imaginary friends.
The Bible is an ancient book, responsible for countless horrors and atrocities throughout history. The Sermon on the Mount does not make up for this. We can find the same lovely words, the same message, in Buddhist teachings which actually came 300 years prior to Jesus. Yet, these Buddhist teachings say nothing bad about women, gays, or non-believers. Wouldn't this be a greater book than the Bible, since it doesn't contain evil deeds and acts?
Lemme answer your last question before I go to sleep (hopefully I don't sleep forever, if you know what I mean ;)
First off, come on man. You can ask me whatever, I don't take offense to anything really. Please don't take offense to anything I say though, sometimes it's direct but it's never meant to be hurtful or mean.
I went to a Christian school from preschool to 6th grade. My uncle (and then cousin) is the pastor of a pentecostal church in Long Beach, which my mom's father founded in the 1950s. He died while preaching at the pulpit in the 50s. My grandma still attends to this day. I attended up until about 15 years old, with sporadic appearances later.
I was a Christian, and accepted Jesus twice in 5th and 6th grades, because I was scared it didn't "take" the first time. Even as recently as 1997 in Korea, I went to church because it seemed like a comfortable place in a strange land.
However, I never really felt gripped by anything. Jesus never answered my prayers, the answers to my questions in church were unsatisfactory, and it all just seemed kinda weird to me.
Around 1998, I began identifying myself as an agnostic. A couple people I spoke with kinda laughed when I told them I was Christian, and they asked me why I would believe that a guy could walk on water or get mad when I say a "bad word". I thought about that kinda stuff, and I realized that I couldn't really answer them. It didn't make sense to me, and the more I thought, the more it seemed to seem phony.
Over the past 5 years or so, I began thinking about this stuff even more critically. And again, the more I looked, the more the wall of Christianity began to crumble away. It all culminated when I found a few websites that discussed atheism. It was shocking, to say the least, to find people who had the exact same questions that I had. They had the same thoughts, same ideas, same experiences in church, everything. It was nuts. I finally had what is called an epiphany while driving to work about 2 years ago. I realized that God doesn't exist, and that the reason I had so many questions that couldn't be answered was because I was still holding on to the crazy, irrational, illogical belief that God is involved in our lives. Everything, every single goofy question you could ask about Christianity could be answered. Why does God allow evil? Why do good people go to hell? Why do bad people go to Heaven? How come Jesus didn't make a commandment to free the slaves? If God made us in his image, then why does science show that we evolved along with apes? Why do men have nipples? Why do male chimpanzees have nipples?
It's simple: The Bible is just a book written by men, much like the Koran and the Torah. The God of the Bible is just like Zeus, Ra, and Allah. None of it is actually real, they're just stories used to keep people in line. It's always interesting to note that God didn't make man in his image: Man made God in his image. There are plenty of Christians out there who are not living in accordance with the Bible, yet they feel that "God is okay with that". That's because they are making God to be just like them.
FYI, if I were a Christian, I'd be a fundamentalist all the way. God wrote his book exactly how he wants it to be. If a person is not following it exactly, then they are wrong. This means that gays should not be treated equally, because God does not like them and finds them 'detestable'. Women should not speak in church, nor should they be disobedient to their husbands. Children should be severly punished for talking back. Women should never be allowed to remarry if their husband has died, and they definitely should not be allowed to divorce
We are not God, we are imperfect sinners. We should not be changing his rules and meanings in order to suit our modern, sin-filled society. If God wanted another book, he would write one ;)
Word. By the way, in case you didn't know, I'm officially ordained as a minister.
Pastor D
PS: If I die tonight, remember that I am burning in Hell every minute of every day that you are alive. For what exactly?...I don't know.
From: Daniel
To: Julio
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:05:14 AM
Subject: RE: Research Volunteers Needed
First, I will respond to your main writing.
Everything you say sounds good, and could in fact stand on it's own without Jesus, Christianity, and belief in things which go completely contrary to logic. There is nothing you've stated that requires the Bible or Jesus.
So I wonder, why does anyone need to believe in Jesus? We all can get along just fine without him, we can be good to others, we can help others. Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with it.
You mention different hierarchies in heaven. If we go to different levels of Heaven, then doesn't that mean there will be jealousy (and thus coveting) in Heaven? I thought Heaven does not have sin? On the other hand, if there are different levels of Heaven but nobody realizes it when they are there, then why in the world are there different levels? Doesn't that sound rather silly?
It seems that you focus a lot on success here on earth. As a Christian, our lives on earth should only be focused on God. You mention that you aren't perfect as Christian. Perhaps you would be a more perfect Christian if you focused more on church and Christ, as opposed to work and success? God doesn't give a damn about money or success. He only seeks a relationship with you. How can you have the best possible relationship with Christ if you are busy focusing on other things like financial freedom, something which is only temporary?
I honestly cannot see the correlation between being financially free and doing God's work. I see the correlation between being financially free and being able to do God's work in the future, but that is incorrect in God's eyes. You can die tomorrow without ever having done his work, and then what will you tell Him? "Sorry God, I was saving up? Yeah, I know I bought nice clothes and cars and food and jewelry and electronics...I was actually going to do your work AFTER that..." Have you forgotten, the rich man will find it easier to pass through the eye of the needle than gain entrance to Heaven?
Let me interrupt myself to state something completely clear, since my words may seem misleading: I find it improbable (but not impossible) that God exists, though I am certain that Jesus is not our Lord and Saviour. I know the Bible fairly well, but that doesn't mean I believe any of it. It is an ancient book, written by people similar to the Taliban. People were stoned to death because of God's words in the Bible. Women were stoned to death. Children had their heads smashed with rocks on God's orders, in the Bible. For all of the love that you speak of, you've not mentioned these things.
Even today, people are discriminated against because of the Bible. Gays are discriminated against, women are discriminated against. The only assumption we can make is that God wants this, because He himself stated it in his book. And God is perfect, he cannot make a mistake. If he wanted it then, then he wants it now.
Yet, if we throw away the Bible entirely, can't we still continue to love each other? Can't we also love the people that God hates and finds 'detestable' and 'abominable'? We can live the exact same way you've outlined below, and actually do it better, without the Bible. If you threw away the Bible tomorrow, you could accomplish the exact same things in your life. Of course, you would feel an immense amount of guilt and fear that God would punish you, and most of your church friends would stop talking to you, but you are still you. Contrary to popular opinion, the only person responsible for what you've accomplished is you. If there was a time when you were not a Christian and felt that you were strugglin, well, you made it didn't you? Give yourself the credit, not imaginary friends.
The Bible is an ancient book, responsible for countless horrors and atrocities throughout history. The Sermon on the Mount does not make up for this. We can find the same lovely words, the same message, in Buddhist teachings which actually came 300 years prior to Jesus. Yet, these Buddhist teachings say nothing bad about women, gays, or non-believers. Wouldn't this be a greater book than the Bible, since it doesn't contain evil deeds and acts?
Lemme answer your last question before I go to sleep (hopefully I don't sleep forever, if you know what I mean ;)
First off, come on man. You can ask me whatever, I don't take offense to anything really. Please don't take offense to anything I say though, sometimes it's direct but it's never meant to be hurtful or mean.
I went to a Christian school from preschool to 6th grade. My uncle (and then cousin) is the pastor of a pentecostal church in Long Beach, which my mom's father founded in the 1950s. He died while preaching at the pulpit in the 50s. My grandma still attends to this day. I attended up until about 15 years old, with sporadic appearances later.
I was a Christian, and accepted Jesus twice in 5th and 6th grades, because I was scared it didn't "take" the first time. Even as recently as 1997 in Korea, I went to church because it seemed like a comfortable place in a strange land.
However, I never really felt gripped by anything. Jesus never answered my prayers, the answers to my questions in church were unsatisfactory, and it all just seemed kinda weird to me.
Around 1998, I began identifying myself as an agnostic. A couple people I spoke with kinda laughed when I told them I was Christian, and they asked me why I would believe that a guy could walk on water or get mad when I say a "bad word". I thought about that kinda stuff, and I realized that I couldn't really answer them. It didn't make sense to me, and the more I thought, the more it seemed to seem phony.
Over the past 5 years or so, I began thinking about this stuff even more critically. And again, the more I looked, the more the wall of Christianity began to crumble away. It all culminated when I found a few websites that discussed atheism. It was shocking, to say the least, to find people who had the exact same questions that I had. They had the same thoughts, same ideas, same experiences in church, everything. It was nuts. I finally had what is called an epiphany while driving to work about 2 years ago. I realized that God doesn't exist, and that the reason I had so many questions that couldn't be answered was because I was still holding on to the crazy, irrational, illogical belief that God is involved in our lives. Everything, every single goofy question you could ask about Christianity could be answered. Why does God allow evil? Why do good people go to hell? Why do bad people go to Heaven? How come Jesus didn't make a commandment to free the slaves? If God made us in his image, then why does science show that we evolved along with apes? Why do men have nipples? Why do male chimpanzees have nipples?
It's simple: The Bible is just a book written by men, much like the Koran and the Torah. The God of the Bible is just like Zeus, Ra, and Allah. None of it is actually real, they're just stories used to keep people in line. It's always interesting to note that God didn't make man in his image: Man made God in his image. There are plenty of Christians out there who are not living in accordance with the Bible, yet they feel that "God is okay with that". That's because they are making God to be just like them.
FYI, if I were a Christian, I'd be a fundamentalist all the way. God wrote his book exactly how he wants it to be. If a person is not following it exactly, then they are wrong. This means that gays should not be treated equally, because God does not like them and finds them 'detestable'. Women should not speak in church, nor should they be disobedient to their husbands. Children should be severly punished for talking back. Women should never be allowed to remarry if their husband has died, and they definitely should not be allowed to divorce
We are not God, we are imperfect sinners. We should not be changing his rules and meanings in order to suit our modern, sin-filled society. If God wanted another book, he would write one ;)
Word. By the way, in case you didn't know, I'm officially ordained as a minister.
Pastor D
PS: If I die tonight, remember that I am burning in Hell every minute of every day that you are alive. For what exactly?...I don't know.
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Glad he didn't make money on the interviews at CNN and Fox, at least.
Glad he didn't make money on the interviews at CNN and Fox, at least.
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Humans have always been fascinated with death. Death with a capital D. Since the dawn of consciousness, human tribes have had one form or another of cult of the dead. Early paleolithic tribes would bury their dead with some belongings – this custom extended into the tombs of the Egyptian pharaohs and nowadays, most cultures have some form of ritual worship of the dead[1] which brings closure and finality to a process which, by definition, is not understood by anyone on Earth!
In the realm of the human consciousness, however, there is also guilt. A lot of it. Religion plays to the existence of this guilt and appropriates it and encourages it, in order to yield submission.
Catholics will tell you to feel guilty for having been born (since everyone bears the mark of shame of original sin), Islam will tell you to feel guilty for thought crime, and a long etc. Many of the more repressive religions share among them a morbid obsession and infatuation with ‘sexual sins’, telling followers to basically abstain from sex, hoping to control humans by controlling one of the most basic human instincts.
What does guilt have to do with death?
A lot.
In early Judaean culture, on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, people would literally gather a goat, laden him symbolically with their sins and drive it into the desert to die in the wilderness, thereby removing themselves of responsibility for their actions. The rite is described in Leviticus 16:10[2]. The parallel with the medieval Catholic notion of indulgences is striking.
So by driving an innocent animal to its death, early Middle Eastern cultures relieved themselves of the guilt for having done something wrong. A legal loophole, of sorts, in a book which commands people in unambiguous terms how to behave. So you can sin, if you like, because all you need to do is load up your guilt, your shame and your sins onto a poor goat and drive him into the desert.
Christian mythology is strongly infused with this same sense of death as a liberator. Christians morbidly celebrate the death of Jesus of Nazareth – his sole purpose on Earth being to save humanity for its sins.
Speaking personally, I would never have agreed to let a man die for the sins I myself have committed. The passion and the fervour with which this event is celebrated is, on cursory examination, sickly and plain wrong. Conservative-smut peddler Anne Coulter famously referred to Christians as ‘improved Jews’ (the terrifying implication being that Jews can be ‘improved’). In one sense, this can only mean that instead of taking responsibilities for themselves for the sins they have committed, Christians 1-up the Jews, not by murdering a goat for liberation from guilt, but by letting a perfectly healthy (although questionably sane) man be executed gruesomely.
Christians morbidly celebrate the death of Jesus of Nazareth – his sole purpose on Earth being to save humanity for its sins.
It raises, of course, the question: if the Son of God himself sacrificed himself for the sins of his puny human followers, why in god’s name are Christian denominations still obsessed with sin in every form? This will perhaps lead to a series of inane and vacuous theological interchanges so I hope that I’m going to spare myself the trouble by tackling this question on another occasion.
The morbid fascination with the grisly torture and execution of Jesus of Nazareth does not stop the moment his heart ceases to beat. Because then, in possibly Jesus’ most spectacular ‘miracle’, he returns to life.
Or does he? Because nowhere in the New Testament does it specifically note that Jesus resurrected. The women who were mourning him open the tomb (for some reason) and find there is no body, which they find hard to explain as there was a guard mounted throughout the night.
Later on, chronologically, bible verses talk about the return from death of Jesus but at no point did they actually explain how or indeed whether. We only have their word to take much after the alleged event occurred.
Unable to think of ways to smuggle out a body from a cave, the disciples decide that Jesus resurrected. Then, for the next 40 days he makes appearances to his disciples and then ascends into heaven.
One can almost see the Daily Mirror headline:
HIS BODY NOT FOUND – IS JESUS A ZOMBIE?
It’s quite surprising, within the context of the morbid obsession of later Christian cults with sin and with guilt, that they allow in their stories for the ultimate scapegoat to return. But perhaps it isn’t so surprising. If a scapegoat ever made it out alive from the desert he would bring back with him all the sins he was meant to take away to the Underworld and with it all the guilt it bore.
So, a light, superficial analysis of Christian mythology such as mine brings to the surface a number of interesting happenings which tell us a lot about the preoccupations of the human consciousness. We’re desperately guilty and we’re worried about our death.
To humankind, death is a moment of closure and grief… but it can also be a moment of burial of secrets, an expression for turning the page on unfortunate occurrences and shameful events. Burying a dead body is as much a sign of respect as it is a prison – the body is placed under the weight of the Earth itself to stop it from ever returning.
Fear of Death is as much a fear of the unknown as it is a fear of exposure of one’s secrets. Most human cultures have a moment of judgment after death, of some form or another. Even Buddhism requires one to be in a state of material nothingness – there’s nothing left to be guilty for if you renounce the reality of the material world, an escapist philosophy of sorts.
The world’s largest religion reveres what can only be described as a zombie, it’s not surprising we’re terrified of them.
Zombies are therefore a powerful allegory for the return of our sins, for the monstrosity of our shameful actions and the brutality of the consequences were they ever to return. The world’s largest religion reveres what can only be described as a zombie, it’s not surprising we’re terrified of them.
Zombie apocalypses are as much stories of B-movie horror films as they are metaphors for a gigantic cashing in of guilt, the consequences if everyone’s secrets and sins were let out to the surface at once.
Wade Davis is a Canadian anthropologist and ethnobotanist who is famous for a number of essays and a book about his experience in Haiti, visiting actual zombies[3].
According to Davis, shamans hold an enormous power over villagers. It takes only to cross the path of the shaman for him to zombify a person – void them of their humanity and transform them into submissive slaves – after killing them!
It turns out that debtors and adulterers would get poisoned with two powders – the first, the coup de poudre, consists of tetrododoxin (which is the poison found in the famously poisonous pufferfish) and the second would include dissociatives such as datura. The combination of these two allegedly drops the pulse of the victim to near undetectable levels and bring them into dead, zombie like trances where they would submit entirely to the will of the shaman.
Of course, the powders are merely complimentary to the real poison – the religious and shamanic conditioning from birth, the psychological effect of which being far more potent than any powder.

Haitian zombification is a crude yet effective means of expressing absolute power, as a shaman. A shaman’s authority is left unquestioned, lest villagers start becoming mortified into inhuman husks, shells of former beings.
Popularly, the supernatural component to the existence of zombies hinders taking them seriously. To be honest, this is entirely sound.
But it’s when we examine the meaning of zombies to us on an immaterial level, when we ask ourselves about a zombie’s inherent hostility (the feeling is usually mutual), when we analyse the roots of our fascination for death and for people and things who have seen the other side and returned to tell the tale, we stumble on a deeper examination of a collective human consciousness.
Zombies are the headaches after the rise of human intelligence. They’re unevolved spasms of a primitive guilt and a primitive fear. We’re still incapable, as a species, to owning up and taking responsibility for our actions – we’re terrified should they ever come back to haunt us.
Fear-mongering and guilt-mongering in religions appeal perhaps inadvertently to these base instincts because deep down, all figures of authority in religion know, just like the Haitian shaman, what happens next.
One day, hopefully, we humans will collectively realise it’s not going to take the sacrifice of an animal to rid us of our shameful actions, or the execution of an innocent human being (the Son of God no less!) to his death to cure all and end all. It’s going to take work and effort and balls to own up to one’s past deeds. Only once we’re capable of lifting our gaze to look each other in the eye, to take responsibility for what we’ve done in our lives, the clergyman will preside over empty pews indeed.
A bit of background: I forwarded a survey I'd received from Sam Harris. The survey asked for both atheist and Christian respondents, as it had to do with a scientific study on faith. My friend missed the original email, but replied a few weeks later. A few exchanges later, and we've found ourselves at this point...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:19:22 -0700
From: Julio
Subject: Re: Research Volunteers Needed
To: Daniel
You know what just hit me right now after reading your intro to your "Diary of an Atheist"......when we worked together you damn near smacked me one time that I told you wou were an Atheist....remember? You said "I am not an Atheist"............did we change teams?
;-)......man your a fun guy to tease with.
From: Daniel
To: Julio
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:51:18 AM
Subject: RE: Research Volunteers Needed
I probably did, that's what clinging to Jesus will do to a person. It's scary to let go sometimes.
/
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:34:10 -0700
From: Julio
Subject: Re: Research Volunteers Needed
To: Daniel
I hope you don't mean me, right?
/
From: Daniel
To: Julio
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:26:21 PM
Subject: RE: Research Volunteers Needed
No not you, Christians in general. The same goes for Muslims. Neither adherent can easily let go of their faith, because the penalty is so severe. Both religions profess to be built on love, but in reality they are built on fear. That's why people cling to it. If all we cared about was loving other people, then why not be a Buddhist? They don't have to believe in God, yet still preach love for one another.
The answer, of course, is that Christianity and Islam are built on fear. You HAVE to believe in their God, otherwise you will go to hell forever. Even the most loving, caring, wonderful person on the planet will go to hell if they don't believe. Quite ironic for a religion based on love.
And of course if you have any questions, lemme know. I'll answer any and every question you could possibly have, as long as you're open to hearing the answers. Just be forewarned, my answers will be long and thorough...kinda like my sex fool!
-Dan
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:37:36 -0700
From: Julio
Subject: Re: Research Volunteers Needed
To: Daniel
Wooow, where do I start...I am the same way I got some lengthy responses at times but just like you I need you to have an open mind as well.....I'm not claiming or saying I know everything, just like when we were Techs, there's some Techs that know little and there's Techs that know more (you) and Techs that know even more (Me)..
Before I start with my manifesto, there is always going to be believers and non-believers, I don't know why its just that way and I live with it. There is a lot of questions that even the most knowledgeable & wise pastor/priests (call 'em what you wanna call 'em) just don't have and that's were your belief/faith HAS to come in.
From what I'm reading on this email and on your website is that you talk about "religion", religion teaches you some weird things, people do weird things when all they know is religion. Religion is something that's traditional, I don't study religion, what I study and follow are "Truths". You see one of the many things religion teaches you is that its okay to have lack in your life, to be poor (the more broke you are the holier you become), to just care that you have a little peace here and a little peace their. I know grown men that don't want or have more because they feel they're going to violate some kind of principal, when in fact the word of God teaches about abundance in every aspect of our life, to have a balanced life. That's why you see superstars overdosing or committing suicide because of a void that was never filled, there whole purpose for living was for material success and once they achieve and can literally buy all they want, whats next for them? Stealing, suicide, selling drugs (just for the thrill). Money isn't everything but it definitely helps, money will only accelerate the TRUE person you are; if you have little money and your a party animal, money will accelerate that person you are, but, if you have money and you mean nothing but good then money will accelerate that goodness that you have in your heart. Money isn't the root of all evil, its the LOVE for money that's the root of all evil.
People connect love with a certain emotion but Love is a way of life and at times triggers many things and emotion is one of them. Love is a LIFESTYLE that prompts a lot of other things like obedience, faithfulness, trust, responsibility, respect, honesty, etc. Its not that people fear, because one thing love does not bring is fear, without getting into too much detail, you can't have both. You see when you mention people like Jeffrey Dahmer its hard for you or me to use him as an example because even though he proclaimed that he was a born again Christian we don't now if that was truly in his heart, say it was and more importantly let's say he also repented (because you can't accept Jesus and continue with your horrific lifestyle), then your right he is in heaven, but let's say he was just testing the system and he failed then he's burning in hell my young giraffe. Even if he is in "heaven", it says in the bible that there are positions in heaven and not everyone is in the same position, there are "great" & "greater" in heaven.
Also with works/actions comes reward, someone who "attends" church service for a combined time of "10 years" and gives their little tithes and offerings and attends "religiously" every Sunday is not going to be successful here on Earth. There are principals established here that the laborers (it doesn't just mean people who just work 9-5) they will prosper according to their works. Example: if you work a 9-5 job at 7-Eleven your going to make 9-5 7-Eleven money, but if you work X amount of hours in multi-million dollar transactions/business (real estate, stocks, developments) then financially your going to make according to your risk, this is just a principal period. So someone who faithfully tithes and doesn't miss one time is not going to become a millionaire or financially free, you need to do the activities/works that will cause that to happen.
Just to touch on the picture of the Earth 4 billion miles away, its just a different frame of mind on how you look at it. A non-believer will look at it and probably state exactly what you put on your website, someone say like me will say "that picture is amazing and knowing how big God is we are that important to Him that he uniquely created us". God isn't the size of Earth, to me God is a lot greater & bigger than that picture.
With all this in mind a lot of people are so quick to judge and say "oh look at Julio" and watch your every move under a magnifying glass and as soon as you slip, boom they come at you aggressive. I'm not claiming that I'm perfect, I am seriously, seriously far from that, there's a lot of things that I have to work on but the important thing is that everyday I know in my heart I'm fighting and striving to become better balanced. There's even some things that you can't do in front of other people, friends or even family because the maturity level and understanding is just not there and again they'll be quick to judge.
Aside from your response to my email I do have a specific question, not to get too personal but one time you told me that you were in it deep with the bible and studying at a younger age or you went to a private school (something along those line), what was the exact turning point for you and why? (Just curious)
This is interesting and good, it gets the juices flowing.........
Your Nigga,
Julio G
A bit of background: I forwarded a survey I'd received from Sam Harris. The survey asked for both atheist and Christian respondents, as it had to do with a scientific study on faith. My friend missed the original email, but replied a few weeks later. A few exchanges later, and we've found ourselves at this point...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:19:22 -0700
From: Julio
Subject: Re: Research Volunteers Needed
To: Daniel
You know what just hit me right now after reading your intro to your "Diary of an Atheist"......when we worked together you damn near smacked me one time that I told you wou were an Atheist....remember? You said "I am not an Atheist"............did we change teams?
;-)......man your a fun guy to tease with.
From: Daniel
To: Julio
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:51:18 AM
Subject: RE: Research Volunteers Needed
I probably did, that's what clinging to Jesus will do to a person. It's scary to let go sometimes.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:34:10 -0700
From: Julio
Subject: Re: Research Volunteers Needed
To: Daniel
I hope you don't mean me, right?
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From: Daniel
To: Julio
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:26:21 PM
Subject: RE: Research Volunteers Needed
No not you, Christians in general. The same goes for Muslims. Neither adherent can easily let go of their faith, because the penalty is so severe. Both religions profess to be built on love, but in reality they are built on fear. That's why people cling to it. If all we cared about was loving other people, then why not be a Buddhist? They don't have to believe in God, yet still preach love for one another.
The answer, of course, is that Christianity and Islam are built on fear. You HAVE to believe in their God, otherwise you will go to hell forever. Even the most loving, caring, wonderful person on the planet will go to hell if they don't believe. Quite ironic for a religion based on love.
And of course if you have any questions, lemme know. I'll answer any and every question you could possibly have, as long as you're open to hearing the answers. Just be forewarned, my answers will be long and thorough...kinda like my sex fool!
-Dan
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:37:36 -0700
From: Julio
Subject: Re: Research Volunteers Needed
To: Daniel
Wooow, where do I start...I am the same way I got some lengthy responses at times but just like you I need you to have an open mind as well.....I'm not claiming or saying I know everything, just like when we were Techs, there's some Techs that know little and there's Techs that know more (you) and Techs that know even more (Me)..
Before I start with my manifesto, there is always going to be believers and non-believers, I don't know why its just that way and I live with it. There is a lot of questions that even the most knowledgeable & wise pastor/priests (call 'em what you wanna call 'em) just don't have and that's were your belief/faith HAS to come in.
From what I'm reading on this email and on your website is that you talk about "religion", religion teaches you some weird things, people do weird things when all they know is religion. Religion is something that's traditional, I don't study religion, what I study and follow are "Truths". You see one of the many things religion teaches you is that its okay to have lack in your life, to be poor (the more broke you are the holier you become), to just care that you have a little peace here and a little peace their. I know grown men that don't want or have more because they feel they're going to violate some kind of principal, when in fact the word of God teaches about abundance in every aspect of our life, to have a balanced life. That's why you see superstars overdosing or committing suicide because of a void that was never filled, there whole purpose for living was for material success and once they achieve and can literally buy all they want, whats next for them? Stealing, suicide, selling drugs (just for the thrill). Money isn't everything but it definitely helps, money will only accelerate the TRUE person you are; if you have little money and your a party animal, money will accelerate that person you are, but, if you have money and you mean nothing but good then money will accelerate that goodness that you have in your heart. Money isn't the root of all evil, its the LOVE for money that's the root of all evil.
People connect love with a certain emotion but Love is a way of life and at times triggers many things and emotion is one of them. Love is a LIFESTYLE that prompts a lot of other things like obedience, faithfulness, trust, responsibility, respect, honesty, etc. Its not that people fear, because one thing love does not bring is fear, without getting into too much detail, you can't have both. You see when you mention people like Jeffrey Dahmer its hard for you or me to use him as an example because even though he proclaimed that he was a born again Christian we don't now if that was truly in his heart, say it was and more importantly let's say he also repented (because you can't accept Jesus and continue with your horrific lifestyle), then your right he is in heaven, but let's say he was just testing the system and he failed then he's burning in hell my young giraffe. Even if he is in "heaven", it says in the bible that there are positions in heaven and not everyone is in the same position, there are "great" & "greater" in heaven.
Also with works/actions comes reward, someone who "attends" church service for a combined time of "10 years" and gives their little tithes and offerings and attends "religiously" every Sunday is not going to be successful here on Earth. There are principals established here that the laborers (it doesn't just mean people who just work 9-5) they will prosper according to their works. Example: if you work a 9-5 job at 7-Eleven your going to make 9-5 7-Eleven money, but if you work X amount of hours in multi-million dollar transactions/business (real estate, stocks, developments) then financially your going to make according to your risk, this is just a principal period. So someone who faithfully tithes and doesn't miss one time is not going to become a millionaire or financially free, you need to do the activities/works that will cause that to happen.
Just to touch on the picture of the Earth 4 billion miles away, its just a different frame of mind on how you look at it. A non-believer will look at it and probably state exactly what you put on your website, someone say like me will say "that picture is amazing and knowing how big God is we are that important to Him that he uniquely created us". God isn't the size of Earth, to me God is a lot greater & bigger than that picture.
With all this in mind a lot of people are so quick to judge and say "oh look at Julio" and watch your every move under a magnifying glass and as soon as you slip, boom they come at you aggressive. I'm not claiming that I'm perfect, I am seriously, seriously far from that, there's a lot of things that I have to work on but the important thing is that everyday I know in my heart I'm fighting and striving to become better balanced. There's even some things that you can't do in front of other people, friends or even family because the maturity level and understanding is just not there and again they'll be quick to judge.
Aside from your response to my email I do have a specific question, not to get too personal but one time you told me that you were in it deep with the bible and studying at a younger age or you went to a private school (something along those line), what was the exact turning point for you and why? (Just curious)
This is interesting and good, it gets the juices flowing.........
Your Nigga,
Julio G

Even though my relatives and I were atheist Jews in a predominantly Christian country, I rarely felt as if I was out of the mainstream. Mom, Dad, and Nanny were just as American as anybody else, although maybe just a little louder. OK, a lot louder.
Up until the time I was six, I even imagined that I believed — as much as any fundy kid did — in Santa Claus. I had already dismissed the idea of god, because it just didn’t make any sense. But Santa Claus was different. I mean, the guy was all over the TV screen. He prattled on and on about good conduct with Pinky Lee and Rootie Kazootie, paid surprise visits on cowboys and spacemen and cartoon animals, and even joked snidely about Mrs. Claus with Milton Berle and Jackie Gleason. From the comfort of my living-room, I'd actually seen him ride down Broadway in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade; every kid in New York knew that he was on the way to his big throne in the world's most famous department store. And he never said, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas — except for atheist Jews." He greeted us all, boys and girls of every persuasion. Santa's sole criterion for toy-distribution was a kid's behavior, not his heritage.
Mom, who was always a sucker for family togetherness as depicted in Norman Rockwell illustrations, encouraged my belief. She made a small bow to Chanukah by giving us chocolate gelt, pieces of candy money wrapped in "gold;" sometimes we even lit the menorah. But her obvious opinion, one which we kids shared, was that Chanukah couldn't hold a candle to Christmas. If it had been entirely up to her, we would have all gathered together like a perfect television family, to sing carols and drink eggnog under the mistletoe. Santa Claus was coming to town, and our household was on his itinerary.
Dad went along with her, but only because he didn't have the energy to fight. As a mailman, he worked particularly hard during the holidays when the post office was flooded with thousands of cards from those “meshuga goyim.” I think he reluctantly enjoyed the message of peace on earth, goodwill to men: "Do me something, but that Jesus must have been a real mensch. He was a Jew, d'ja know that?"
Still, Dad could never resist reminding us that we were strangers in a strange land.
"If some fat Christian in a red suit ever snuck up on my grandparents during the night, they would have thought it was a pogrom. But go ahead and believe what you wanna believe. Just remember, Santa Claus is poor this year."
In our house, we never had a Christmas tree. A few families in the community had Chanukah bushes, but not us. Dad hated Nature, and complained constantly that Mom's snake plants were stealing his air. He was sure that bringing a whole tree into the apartment would make it impossible for us to breathe. His main objection, though, was that it would be too much trouble.
"And who's gonna put it together? You?"
"There's nothing to put together, Dad. It's a tree."
"Listen, Sonny Boy, I work hard all day. I don't need to be monkeying around with all those momzer lights and doodads and that shiny stringy stuff—what do the goyim call it?—and having to remember to water the damn thing and not knock it over when I wake up in the middle of the night to pish. You want a tree, move to the forest."
Mom, who took on more and more of a "Babes in Toyland" persona the closer we got to the holidays, who walked around the apartment singing Hit Parade carols like "All I Want for Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth" and "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," would have loved having a Christmas tree. And she probably could have prevailed easily over Dad if she'd insisted. But she worried about how she could smuggle it in without the neighbors seeing.
"Mom," I'd reason, "who cares? You buy ham and bacon at the store all the time, and we never go to shul."
"A Christmas tree is different."
"What's different about it?"
"Well, bacon is not about Jesus. But a Christmas tree ... that's a very, very Christian thing. It's a whole big megillah about stuff we don't believe in. Mrs. Tannenbaum downstairs would have a conniption if she saw us. I'll hang a stocking and we'll put out a little table for Santa to leave toys on. Nobody has to know."
And that's what she always did. On Christmas Eve, she'd tape two of her nylons, one for Risa and one for me, to the window of our bedroom. We had no chimneys in our project, which worried me. But Mom swore that Santa would ring the doorbell once we kids were asleep, and that he'd give all our toys to her. It never occurred to me to ask why we bothered going through the whole rigmarole with the stocking if he was just going to show up with the stuff at our door like an overweight version of the Seltzer Man.
What I did think to challenge, however, was the plethora of Santas. Everywhere I looked, there he was. He chatted with millions of children in every single department store in New York City. Mom's explanation, which worked for a few years, was that the guy kept running back and forth across the street between Macy's and Gimbel's, stopping this relay only occasionally to take the subway uptown to the Bronx for a stint at Alexander's. And, she added, when he wasn't holding court in some toy department, he was hopping from street corner to street corner to ring a bell for the Salvation Army, or racing to a TV studio to sit for a few minutes with Arthur Godfrey.
But by the time I was six, I was already well on the road to skepticism. I tallied up all the Clauses and thought: How can this be?
It was Nanny who came up with an intricate Santa Claus Classification System, an organizational hierarchy that sounded reasonable. She explained that the real, honest-to-goodness Santa Claus was the one at Macy's, except during the week she had a falling-out with the store because it had run out of My Sin perfume, during which time the Genuine Article had moved briefly to Gimbel's. He was also the one who appeared on prime-time television shows, as long as the star was somebody she liked.
"Oh, yeah," Nanny said, "the Jack Benny Santa Claus is definitely the real one."
"But who's at Macy's while he's on TV?"
"He puts up a sign: Out to Dinner. What, you don't think he has a nice supper every night, with that belly?"
"But if he was on with Jack Benny," I asked, "when did he eat?"
"Always with you it's questions. Listen, they gave him a tongue sandwich and a cup of red Jell-O backstage."
"So that's what happened when he visited Ed Sullivan, too?"
"No, no, use your head. That was an Actor. The real Santa Claus is gonna go on with that shmo? What are you talking?"
"What about the Santa Claus at Alexander's?"
"A Substitute. Santa has a big family, they all look like him. Y'know, like me and my sisters. His brothers go to all the stores, the managers never know the difference."
"Oh, so the one at Klein's is also a substitute, right?"
"Klein's? Feh? That one's a Faker. You'll sit on his lap, he'll try to sell you some shmatta. They're gonna get the real Santa Claus when they can't even clean their bathrooms properly? Who fills your head with such nonsense?"
"So what about the guys who ring the bells?"
"Helpers. Santa gives them a couple of bucks and they work for him."
"But they all look just like him."
"Yeah, so what? Santa's dumb? He advertises to hire, and it says they have to be fat. Except that skinny zhlub standing there by the subway entrance with his beard falling off. Listen, stop hocking me with Santa Claus and help me pick out a Chanukah present for your cousin Marty."
It was a lot of work using Nanny's elaborate taxonomy, and sorting each Santa into his proper slot nearly drove me nuts. But I was good at puzzles and games, and enjoyed the challenge of figuring out who was who. The Santa who had posed for the Coke ad in Life Magazine was, obviously, the Genuine Article; the one who had posed for Pepsi was an Actor. Canada Dry Ginger Ale's Santa was an acceptable Substitute, particularly when I'd had an upset stomach one day, but 7-Up's was a blatant Faker if I ever saw one.
They asked me how I knewEven Dad joined in the festive spirit, using a lit cigarette to conduct Mom. My sister, who was only a year and a half old, had caught the excitement, and kept screaming "Santa Claus, Santa Claus," a mantra that eventually conked her out in mid-shout. Shortly thereafter, she was nestled all snug in her bed, dreaming, no doubt, of sugar plums, even though no one in my family had any idea what they were.
Santa Claus was true.
I of course replied,
"Santa has to hide —
Toys get in your eyes."
But I stayed wide awake, now and then ducking under the covers to check my glow-in-the-dark watch, a practical Chanukah gift I had received from an uncle with connections in the jewelry business. A half-hour eternity must have passed while I waited and waited and waited for the sound of the doorbell announcing Santa's arrival.
Mom peeked her head into our room. "You kids asleep?" she whispered.
I had recently learned that my fake snoring fooled no one, so I just lay there, perfectly still. Mom and Dad tiptoed quietly in. Mom was frequently subject to fits of giddiness, and was evidently in the throes of one. She couldn't stop tittering. Dad banged his knee on the little table they'd put in the center of the room, dropped what sounded like a 20-megaton toy, and yelled out
"Sonuvvabitch!"
Stifled snickering from Mom, who tried unsuccessfully to turn serious. "Did it break, Hon?"
"How the hell do I know? It's wrapped."
"I mean the table. It sounded like it went flying."
"Nah. It just slid along the floor a little."
"Do you think it scratched the wood?"
"It scratched my leg, I'll tell you that."
"You're not bleeding on the toys, are you?"
"Who cares about the goddamn toys, f'cryinoutloud? I'm wounded here. You and your farkockteh Christmas."
"Sha. Die kinder."
The next thing Dad did was to pull down a curtain rod on the window when he went to fill the stocking.
"Agghhh. Shit."
"Sha." Uncontrollable giggling. "What happened?"
"I got caught on the drapes."
"Don't break the window."
"Do you wanna do this, Babe? Do you wanna do this?"
Mom made a noise that sounded like she was being tickled unmercifully.
"Don't put a run in my stocking."
"Just tell me if you wanna do this. What are you, some secret shikseh, the Christmas maven? Owww. Goddamn radiator. It's hot, f'Chrissake! These chocolate cigarettes are gonna melt before the kids wake up."
"Gimme them. I'll put them on the table."
"What else goes in here?"
"The yo-yos and the sock puppets. Can you squoosh the puppets in?"
A ripping sound revealed that he couldn't.
"What'd you rip?"
"Your stocking. Relax."
Hysterical cackling. "That's a good stocking."
"Oh, and my knee wasn't a good knee?"
"Your knee, you can cover up. My stocking, everybody sees."
"So do me something. Next time we go out, you can wear the sock puppets. Are we done with this mishegoss?"
“I think the kids are up. Are you up?”
Aha! A trap. Mom expected me to say “no,” like I usually did. But I just lay there. Miraculously, I had managed to keep totally quiet through all the mayhem. I hoped I could resist the urge to get up right away and check whether all my new toys were still intact.
Mom whispered, "Well, I guess they’re sleeping. Gut yontif" — "Happy holiday" — and I could hear kissing. I hoped it was happening far enough way from my toys that they didn’t get any lovey-dovey cooties on them. I knew that in the morning, the room was going to look like it had been attacked by an army of Subs and Zhlubs, Helpers and Actors and Fakers. But as my parents walked through the door, both chuckling now, I lay there in my bed, a real atheist at last, proud of my discovery: Mom and Dad, and they alone, were the Genuine Article.

Even though my relatives and I were atheist Jews in a predominantly Christian country, I rarely felt as if I was out of the mainstream. Mom, Dad, and Nanny were just as American as anybody else, although maybe just a little louder. OK, a lot louder.
Up until the time I was six, I even imagined that I believed — as much as any fundy kid did — in Santa Claus. I had already dismissed the idea of god, because it just didn’t make any sense. But Santa Claus was different. I mean, the guy was all over the TV screen. He prattled on and on about good conduct with Pinky Lee and Rootie Kazootie, paid surprise visits on cowboys and spacemen and cartoon animals, and even joked snidely about Mrs. Claus with Milton Berle and Jackie Gleason. From the comfort of my living-room, I'd actually seen him ride down Broadway in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade; every kid in New York knew that he was on the way to his big throne in the world's most famous department store. And he never said, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas — except for atheist Jews." He greeted us all, boys and girls of every persuasion. Santa's sole criterion for toy-distribution was a kid's behavior, not his heritage.
Mom, who was always a sucker for family togetherness as depicted in Norman Rockwell illustrations, encouraged my belief. She made a small bow to Chanukah by giving us chocolate gelt, pieces of candy money wrapped in "gold;" sometimes we even lit the menorah. But her obvious opinion, one which we kids shared, was that Chanukah couldn't hold a candle to Christmas. If it had been entirely up to her, we would have all gathered together like a perfect television family, to sing carols and drink eggnog under the mistletoe. Santa Claus was coming to town, and our household was on his itinerary.
Dad went along with her, but only because he didn't have the energy to fight. As a mailman, he worked particularly hard during the holidays when the post office was flooded with thousands of cards from those “meshuga goyim.” I think he reluctantly enjoyed the message of peace on earth, goodwill to men: "Do me something, but that Jesus must have been a real mensch. He was a Jew, d'ja know that?"
Still, Dad could never resist reminding us that we were strangers in a strange land.
"If some fat Christian in a red suit ever snuck up on my grandparents during the night, they would have thought it was a pogrom. But go ahead and believe what you wanna believe. Just remember, Santa Claus is poor this year."
In our house, we never had a Christmas tree. A few families in the community had Chanukah bushes, but not us. Dad hated Nature, and complained constantly that Mom's snake plants were stealing his air. He was sure that bringing a whole tree into the apartment would make it impossible for us to breathe. His main objection, though, was that it would be too much trouble.
"And who's gonna put it together? You?"
"There's nothing to put together, Dad. It's a tree."
"Listen, Sonny Boy, I work hard all day. I don't need to be monkeying around with all those momzer lights and doodads and that shiny stringy stuff—what do the goyim call it?—and having to remember to water the damn thing and not knock it over when I wake up in the middle of the night to pish. You want a tree, move to the forest."
Mom, who took on more and more of a "Babes in Toyland" persona the closer we got to the holidays, who walked around the apartment singing Hit Parade carols like "All I Want for Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth" and "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," would have loved having a Christmas tree. And she probably could have prevailed easily over Dad if she'd insisted. But she worried about how she could smuggle it in without the neighbors seeing.
"Mom," I'd reason, "who cares? You buy ham and bacon at the store all the time, and we never go to shul."
"A Christmas tree is different."
"What's different about it?"
"Well, bacon is not about Jesus. But a Christmas tree ... that's a very, very Christian thing. It's a whole big megillah about stuff we don't believe in. Mrs. Tannenbaum downstairs would have a conniption if she saw us. I'll hang a stocking and we'll put out a little table for Santa to leave toys on. Nobody has to know."
And that's what she always did. On Christmas Eve, she'd tape two of her nylons, one for Risa and one for me, to the window of our bedroom. We had no chimneys in our project, which worried me. But Mom swore that Santa would ring the doorbell once we kids were asleep, and that he'd give all our toys to her. It never occurred to me to ask why we bothered going through the whole rigmarole with the stocking if he was just going to show up with the stuff at our door like an overweight version of the Seltzer Man.
What I did think to challenge, however, was the plethora of Santas. Everywhere I looked, there he was. He chatted with millions of children in every single department store in New York City. Mom's explanation, which worked for a few years, was that the guy kept running back and forth across the street between Macy's and Gimbel's, stopping this relay only occasionally to take the subway uptown to the Bronx for a stint at Alexander's. And, she added, when he wasn't holding court in some toy department, he was hopping from street corner to street corner to ring a bell for the Salvation Army, or racing to a TV studio to sit for a few minutes with Arthur Godfrey.
But by the time I was six, I was already well on the road to skepticism. I tallied up all the Clauses and thought: How can this be?
It was Nanny who came up with an intricate Santa Claus Classification System, an organizational hierarchy that sounded reasonable. She explained that the real, honest-to-goodness Santa Claus was the one at Macy's, except during the week she had a falling-out with the store because it had run out of My Sin perfume, during which time the Genuine Article had moved briefly to Gimbel's. He was also the one who appeared on prime-time television shows, as long as the star was somebody she liked.
"Oh, yeah," Nanny said, "the Jack Benny Santa Claus is definitely the real one."
"But who's at Macy's while he's on TV?"
"He puts up a sign: Out to Dinner. What, you don't think he has a nice supper every night, with that belly?"
"But if he was on with Jack Benny," I asked, "when did he eat?"
"Always with you it's questions. Listen, they gave him a tongue sandwich and a cup of red Jell-O backstage."
"So that's what happened when he visited Ed Sullivan, too?"
"No, no, use your head. That was an Actor. The real Santa Claus is gonna go on with that shmo? What are you talking?"
"What about the Santa Claus at Alexander's?"
"A Substitute. Santa has a big family, they all look like him. Y'know, like me and my sisters. His brothers go to all the stores, the managers never know the difference."
"Oh, so the one at Klein's is also a substitute, right?"
"Klein's? Feh? That one's a Faker. You'll sit on his lap, he'll try to sell you some shmatta. They're gonna get the real Santa Claus when they can't even clean their bathrooms properly? Who fills your head with such nonsense?"
"So what about the guys who ring the bells?"
"Helpers. Santa gives them a couple of bucks and they work for him."
"But they all look just like him."
"Yeah, so what? Santa's dumb? He advertises to hire, and it says they have to be fat. Except that skinny zhlub standing there by the subway entrance with his beard falling off. Listen, stop hocking me with Santa Claus and help me pick out a Chanukah present for your cousin Marty."
It was a lot of work using Nanny's elaborate taxonomy, and sorting each Santa into his proper slot nearly drove me nuts. But I was good at puzzles and games, and enjoyed the challenge of figuring out who was who. The Santa who had posed for the Coke ad in Life Magazine was, obviously, the Genuine Article; the one who had posed for Pepsi was an Actor. Canada Dry Ginger Ale's Santa was an acceptable Substitute, particularly when I'd had an upset stomach one day, but 7-Up's was a blatant Faker if I ever saw one.
They asked me how I knewEven Dad joined in the festive spirit, using a lit cigarette to conduct Mom. My sister, who was only a year and a half old, had caught the excitement, and kept screaming "Santa Claus, Santa Claus," a mantra that eventually conked her out in mid-shout. Shortly thereafter, she was nestled all snug in her bed, dreaming, no doubt, of sugar plums, even though no one in my family had any idea what they were.
Santa Claus was true.
I of course replied,
"Santa has to hide —
Toys get in your eyes."
But I stayed wide awake, now and then ducking under the covers to check my glow-in-the-dark watch, a practical Chanukah gift I had received from an uncle with connections in the jewelry business. A half-hour eternity must have passed while I waited and waited and waited for the sound of the doorbell announcing Santa's arrival.
Mom peeked her head into our room. "You kids asleep?" she whispered.
I had recently learned that my fake snoring fooled no one, so I just lay there, perfectly still. Mom and Dad tiptoed quietly in. Mom was frequently subject to fits of giddiness, and was evidently in the throes of one. She couldn't stop tittering. Dad banged his knee on the little table they'd put in the center of the room, dropped what sounded like a 20-megaton toy, and yelled out
"Sonuvvabitch!"
Stifled snickering from Mom, who tried unsuccessfully to turn serious. "Did it break, Hon?"
"How the hell do I know? It's wrapped."
"I mean the table. It sounded like it went flying."
"Nah. It just slid along the floor a little."
"Do you think it scratched the wood?"
"It scratched my leg, I'll tell you that."
"You're not bleeding on the toys, are you?"
"Who cares about the goddamn toys, f'cryinoutloud? I'm wounded here. You and your farkockteh Christmas."
"Sha. Die kinder."
The next thing Dad did was to pull down a curtain rod on the window when he went to fill the stocking.
"Agghhh. Shit."
"Sha." Uncontrollable giggling. "What happened?"
"I got caught on the drapes."
"Don't break the window."
"Do you wanna do this, Babe? Do you wanna do this?"
Mom made a noise that sounded like she was being tickled unmercifully.
"Don't put a run in my stocking."
"Just tell me if you wanna do this. What are you, some secret shikseh, the Christmas maven? Owww. Goddamn radiator. It's hot, f'Chrissake! These chocolate cigarettes are gonna melt before the kids wake up."
"Gimme them. I'll put them on the table."
"What else goes in here?"
"The yo-yos and the sock puppets. Can you squoosh the puppets in?"
A ripping sound revealed that he couldn't.
"What'd you rip?"
"Your stocking. Relax."
Hysterical cackling. "That's a good stocking."
"Oh, and my knee wasn't a good knee?"
"Your knee, you can cover up. My stocking, everybody sees."
"So do me something. Next time we go out, you can wear the sock puppets. Are we done with this mishegoss?"
“I think the kids are up. Are you up?”
Aha! A trap. Mom expected me to say “no,” like I usually did. But I just lay there. Miraculously, I had managed to keep totally quiet through all the mayhem. I hoped I could resist the urge to get up right away and check whether all my new toys were still intact.
Mom whispered, "Well, I guess they’re sleeping. Gut yontif" — "Happy holiday" — and I could hear kissing. I hoped it was happening far enough way from my toys that they didn’t get any lovey-dovey cooties on them. I knew that in the morning, the room was going to look like it had been attacked by an army of Subs and Zhlubs, Helpers and Actors and Fakers. But as my parents walked through the door, both chuckling now, I lay there in my bed, a real atheist at last, proud of my discovery: Mom and Dad, and they alone, were the Genuine Article.
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