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Harris Is Good, but…

Dale recently made a very well written argument against Harris's recent spat with the Atheist title, and the "secular humanist" club I belong to recently posted a small snippet about why Harris is so great for doing so. So, I thought I'd carry on defending the title like Dale did, and here's what I had to say about this incredibly boring matter:

Sam Harris might be head and shoulders higher up on the intellectual stimulating level than a lot of the other "New Atheists", but that doesn't mean he's very lonely up there, or really bringing much new to the conversation.

He's big into conversational intolerance. It's not a new idea; he simply articulates himself very well and opens up the idea to a wider audience than those who came before him. He's big into the exploration of meditative studies and brain sciences. Again, that's not exactly new territory. He's bringing a slightly unique spin to meditation, but in medicinal brain studies, he's far from a forerunner in any way shape or form. He's also big into the let's-not-use-atheist-as-a-title bit. That's a tired, tired subject, and I'm so disappointed he's found nothing worth-while to talk about.

I don't think anyone's forgetting Dawkins' and Dennet's forays into new 'atheist' titles. They've thrown 'bright' out there and humanist, secularist, naturalist, and all those other synonyms. This isn't a new topic, and it's not something that's ever been received with any sort of sufficient enthusiasm. The people listenning to these lectures aren't oblivious to the field; they aren't disinterested, and they don't readily lose track of the ins and outs of the New Atheist movement. Could there be a reason the atheist name change hasn't been received well in the past?

It could be because it's stupid, and we really all should be spending our valiant secular efforts on something new, something interesting, and something relevant to the world.

A brief summation of why we should distance ourselves from the atheist title: some atheist have become dogmatic, and the name has a stigma attached to it.

Lawyers have all sorts of individuals within that umbrella term that all sorts of other individual Lawyers would love to be distanced from. The thing is: they're all still lawyers! The catch, though, is they're all freaking different lawyers! There are business lawyers, insurance lawyers, homicide lawyers, Denny Crane, and Alan Shore. The term "lawyer" doesn't actually typify anything. It's just an umbrella term that catches a broad spectrum of individual professions. It doesn't actually apply any "real" definitions other than that everyone categorized into the group practises some form of law. The stigma surrounding lawyers carries over unto these varying individuals only in the broadest sense of the idea. We all know for a fact that not all lawyers are blood-thirsty, money driven loons.

Stereotypes just happen, but that doesn't mean we should avoid the word that's been stereotyped; we should stop the stereotyping of the word!

Other similar umbrella terms would be: doctors, teachers, Christians (there are a lot of very different kinds of Christians), theists, philosophers, researchers, etcetera. None of these terms actually carry a stigma to all the parties involved with the term. The stereo-types about teachers in general do not follow when applied to those who teach the learning impaired. Different stigmas are attached to French teachers than science teachers. Should they really try and change their title to "education officer" to distance themselves from the teacher stereotype?

Atheist is simply another umbrella descriptor. It describes a large body of individuals and groups who do not necessarily agree or even relate in certain aspects of the relevant attributes. Carpe Diem is described as a secular humanist group. Not all atheists are humanists. Not all atheists, and probably very few, actually live their life by the motto "seize the day".

The term "atheist" (or doctor, or lawyer, or teacher, or whatever!) is an umbrella term used to describe a broad base of individuals. The actual term is meaningless in typifying any one atheist, as any meaning carried by the word outside of its definition (not a theist) is connotation. The connotation is what needs to be distanced from us, not the term. We should work at eliminating the stigma.

Atheist is a useful word in describing the people it generally is attached to. We, very simply, are not theists. Most everyone else is. If the majority of people were astrologers, then we would be very effective in labelling ourselves "not-astrologers".

Christian, as a term, unites a large group by one characteristic. Atheist, as a term, unites a large group by one characteristic. Why throw away a term when the term isn't the problem and the understanding of the term is? We didn't throw out Quantum Physics because we didn't understand them...

I respect Harris. He's one of my heroes. He's an exceptional speaker, a gifted debater, and extremely knowledgeable. But he's wasting his efforts on such a damnably tired subject. Dawkins failed to change the majority of atheists' minds; why should we really believe Harris will? And really, he doesn't have to change the title we unite under. He has to go out and tear up the religious fabric of society like he says he wants to be doing.

- Zennalathas
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.

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And You Thought Your Job Was Bad…

Imagine writing this on your resume:

Integral member of research team that electronically stimulated anteaters to elicit ejaculations. Explored the quaternary structure of the spiny anteater penis.

It can always get worse.

Full story (and video) from New Scientist HERE

And You Thought Your Job Was Bad…

Imagine writing this on your resume:

Integral member of research team that electronically stimulated anteaters to elicit ejaculations. Explored the quaternary structure of the spiny anteater penis.

It can always get worse.

Full story (and video) from New Scientist HERE

VA Catchphrase

It's been a while since I made a post... and I feel a bit guilty about that, I've just had busy shit going on in my life recently.

Anyways, in lieu of anything important, I'm attempting a submission for a catchphrase for VA:

If I gave a shit, you'd be the first person I'd give it to.

I had a t-shirt once that said that, and it seems to suit VA's style well.

VA Catchphrase

It's been a while since I made a post... and I feel a bit guilty about that, I've just had busy shit going on in my life recently.

Anyways, in lieu of anything important, I'm attempting a submission for a catchphrase for VA:

If I gave a shit, you'd be the first person I'd give it to.

I had a t-shirt once that said that, and it seems to suit VA's style well.

god is not Great: (not) A Book Review

Regular readers may remember me expressing an intention to write a review of god is not Great by Christopher Hitchens. With my apologies, I must now tell you that I have decided not to write that review for two distinct, but connected, reasons.

Firstly, I have allowed too much time to pass since finishing the book, to the point where scanning it would be insufficient to refresh my memory – I would need to reread it.

Secondly, the reason I have put it off for this long is that I don’t think I actually have anything particularly clever or significant to say about it. I would prefer not to write it at all than force the issue and do a poor job of it.

Please don’t misunderstand me; my sentiments are entirely positive. I am happy to say that it is an excellent read, and that I highly recommend it. After the works of scientists like Dawkins and Harris, and philosophers like Dennett and Onfray, it is very interesting to read a journalist’s take on religion in the modern world. And no ordinary journalist, mind you – Hitchens’ intellect is staggering.

god is not Great has been reviewed many times both within and beyond the atheosphere, by many bloggers whom, I’m quite sure, will have done a far better job than I would have done. There are only a quick Google search away. Better still, if you’re interested, I recommend reading it for one’s self.


What god eats for breakfast



The wife and I were grocery shopping today and I came across this little gem of a product. I was forced to buy it since I didn't have my camera in the store with me. But how could I resist? Right there on the shelf next to the Cap'n Crunch was genuine god cereal.

The cereal is made by an organic whole grain food company named Food for Life.

They also make a line of Genesis1:29 grain and seed breads.

I did actually taste the product. It has the consistency of gravel but taste kind of like Grape Nuts. Edible at best but nothing heavenly tasting for sure; although I do have the sudden urge to denounce evolution, beat up a homosexual, and talk to an imaginary friend.

What god eats for breakfast



The wife and I were grocery shopping today and I came across this little gem of a product. I was forced to buy it since I didn't have my camera in the store with me. But how could I resist? Right there on the shelf next to the Cap'n Crunch was genuine god cereal.

The cereal is made by an organic whole grain food company named Food for Life.

They also make a line of Genesis1:29 grain and seed breads.

I did actually taste the product. It has the consistency of gravel but taste kind of like Grape Nuts. Edible at best but nothing heavenly tasting for sure; although I do have the sudden urge to denounce evolution, beat up a homosexual, and talk to an imaginary friend.

New Pat Condell Video

Saying something nice about religion.

New Pat Condell Video

Saying something nice about religion.

Thrash Metal = Bible?

I never really understood the stigma that religious persons attach to atheists. I didn't see how it was all that funny to point and say, "You're just an ass-hole atheist!" Even Dane Cook pulls that crap. I realize we pressure the religious with differing points of view, and even ridicule them rather aggressively in the intellectual field, but I still didn't see where this sense of "bullying" came through.

I tell Christians and Muslims and Jews and whatever that they're deluded on a regular basis, and even go to kind of creepy lengths to do it. I recently went through my campus parking lot and drew feet on all the Jesus fish bumper stickers. But, while petty, was that really in-your-face-arrogant-ass mean?

I put in the new Exodus album today and found myself understanding the ass-hole stereotype completely. "Children of a Worthless God" might have been the track that did it...

We all hear about the straw-man debates that Dawkins and Hitchens and Harris all get called on, but I think it's fair to say that they're not straw-men comments because the people they're describing actually exist. It's easy to forget that when the religious use the same--cruder--straw-men arguments, that they also got their stereotype from somewhere.

Obviously these religious nuts are mistaking aggressive music (which kicks ass!) as intellectual discourse, and I'd never say that the lyrics to song accurately reflect a philosophical or intellectual position. Even John Lennon's life choices aren't fully explored in his song, "Imagine".

I think the parallel between our "straw-man" and their "straw-man" is kind of funny. We take ours from those who study doctrine at length and practise the insanity they read. They take theirs from those who listen to extreme music often depicting insanity. Does that infer an equal intellectual standing between thrash metal lyrics and religious doctrine? I'd say that's about right...

- Zennalathas
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.

Thrash Metal = Bible?

I never really understood the stigma that religious persons attach to atheists. I didn't see how it was all that funny to point and say, "You're just an ass-hole atheist!" Even Dane Cook pulls that crap. I realize we pressure the religious with differing points of view, and even ridicule them rather aggressively in the intellectual field, but I still didn't see where this sense of "bullying" came through.

I tell Christians and Muslims and Jews and whatever that they're deluded on a regular basis, and even go to kind of creepy lengths to do it. I recently went through my campus parking lot and drew feet on all the Jesus fish bumper stickers. But, while petty, was that really in-your-face-arrogant-ass mean?

I put in the new Exodus album today and found myself understanding the ass-hole stereotype completely. "Children of a Worthless God" might have been the track that did it...

We all hear about the straw-man debates that Dawkins and Hitchens and Harris all get called on, but I think it's fair to say that they're not straw-men comments because the people they're describing actually exist. It's easy to forget that when the religious use the same--cruder--straw-men arguments, that they also got their stereotype from somewhere.

Obviously these religious nuts are mistaking aggressive music (which kicks ass!) as intellectual discourse, and I'd never say that the lyrics to song accurately reflect a philosophical or intellectual position. Even John Lennon's life choices aren't fully explored in his song, "Imagine".

I think the parallel between our "straw-man" and their "straw-man" is kind of funny. We take ours from those who study doctrine at length and practise the insanity they read. They take theirs from those who listen to extreme music often depicting insanity. Does that infer an equal intellectual standing between thrash metal lyrics and religious doctrine? I'd say that's about right...

- Zennalathas
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.

Santorum Outs Christianity


Former senator Rick Santorum, the intelligent design proponent, gay basher, and all around neocon-wingnut, appeared at Penn State University yesterday to speak at the "Islamo-Fascist Awareness Week" festivities.

In what can only be described as an enlightening quote, Santorum said:
"While Christianity presents a humble, meek message emphasizing love, Islam stemmed from the strong rule of the prophet Mohammed.
Every aspect of life was ruled.
Islam, unlike Christianity, is an all-encompassing ideology, It is not just something you do on Sunday…. We [as Americans] don’t get that."
So, like collecting stamps or building model trains, Christianity is merely a stupid hobby only to engaged in on Sundays. Cool. Thanks Rick.

Santorum Outs Christianity


Former senator Rick Santorum, the intelligent design proponent, gay basher, and all around neocon-wingnut, appeared at Penn State University yesterday to speak at the "Islamo-Fascist Awareness Week" festivities.

In what can only be described as an enlightening quote, Santorum said:
"While Christianity presents a humble, meek message emphasizing love, Islam stemmed from the strong rule of the prophet Mohammed.
Every aspect of life was ruled.
Islam, unlike Christianity, is an all-encompassing ideology, It is not just something you do on Sunday…. We [as Americans] don’t get that."
So, like collecting stamps or building model trains, Christianity is merely a stupid hobby only to engaged in on Sundays. Cool. Thanks Rick.

What a freaking SHOCKER!!

Like we didn't see this shit coming--- Democrats worry Bush setting up war with Iran... Except now instead of claiming that they have WMD's we are going to claim that because they have the potential to have WMD's we should attack them? I posted a few months back on what I think about this shit, and it's again starting to piss me off that our war mongering President George W Bush has yet to quench his thirst for blood. I've never hated anyone in my life, but mr President you are at the top of my most disappointing people's list! Your ignorance and idiocy has put our country smack in the middle of problems that could have been avoided. In my opinion if you continue down this road this WILL start another global war. I am deeply ashamed of this country and what it appears to be turning into. The leaders of our country are acting no different than other totalitarian countries, claiming to bring freedom and democracy while destroying people's lives in the process. It's time we grow up and begin to use our heads instead of trying to prove our might. It's so damn hypocritical of us to think we and our allies are the only ones allowed to have nuclear power. This world needs to stop with the bullshit and treat everyone as allies. Course thats difficult to do when the rest of the world sees our embarrassment of a president, and the appearance that our country is a god fearing nation of christians. Why don't we just paint a big freaking bulls eye over our country? It really does not matter how much of a super power we are, if we start heading in this direction we will all loose eventually. I'm done ranting now.... Yea, this post may be one sided but just the thought that our government would entertain the idea of "bombarding" Iran pisses me off.

What a freaking SHOCKER!!

Like we didn't see this shit coming--- Democrats worry Bush setting up war with Iran... Except now instead of claiming that they have WMD's we are going to claim that because they have the potential to have WMD's we should attack them? I posted a few months back on what I think about this shit, and it's again starting to piss me off that our war mongering President George W Bush has yet to quench his thirst for blood. I've never hated anyone in my life, but mr President you are at the top of my most disappointing people's list! Your ignorance and idiocy has put our country smack in the middle of problems that could have been avoided. In my opinion if you continue down this road this WILL start another global war. I am deeply ashamed of this country and what it appears to be turning into. The leaders of our country are acting no different than other totalitarian countries, claiming to bring freedom and democracy while destroying people's lives in the process. It's time we grow up and begin to use our heads instead of trying to prove our might. It's so damn hypocritical of us to think we and our allies are the only ones allowed to have nuclear power. This world needs to stop with the bullshit and treat everyone as allies. Course thats difficult to do when the rest of the world sees our embarrassment of a president, and the appearance that our country is a god fearing nation of christians. Why don't we just paint a big freaking bulls eye over our country? It really does not matter how much of a super power we are, if we start heading in this direction we will all loose eventually. I'm done ranting now.... Yea, this post may be one sided but just the thought that our government would entertain the idea of "bombarding" Iran pisses me off.