Monthly Archive for October, 2007

Happy Halloween!

It Halloween as and in the spirit of trick or treat I thought to take this oppurtunity to advertise the goodies on my side bar. Just a quick, what they do and why I've linked them.

Fundie Watch

An absolutely hillarious blog, mostly picking apart a man named Matt J Barber who seems to be the only member of Concerned Women for America (Go figure!).

Bay of Fundie

A slightly more in depth analysis of fundie propeganda from all over the spectrum. Check out Kook Watch while you're there!

Christopher Hitchens (a.k.a. build up that wall)

The author of the wonderful book: 'God is not great'. If you have a few dollars lying around I suggest you buy it! Posting on the forums here is another great way of spreading the message and getting people motivated!

Richard Dawkins

The much publicized book 'The God Delusion' brought atheism to the publics attention, with some hillarious results on Bill O'Reilly. The site has some great resources too!

Carnival of the Godless

Carnival of the Godless is like a magazine. The content varies from week to week and it covers a broad range of tones from deadly serious to absolutely hillarious. They update every 2 weeks and it is definitely a must read!

Atheist Blogroll

Its over 400 blogs dealing with atheism and agnosticism in one place! What could be better? I've pasted the link above and to the side, please look through and if you see anything you like click on it!

Reply from Barack Obama

Reply from Barack Obama! Obviously I wrote him off too soon for which I apologise. Please enjoy.

Dear .......,

Thank you for contacting us about faith. We encourage you to read the full Call to
Renewal speech where Barack explicitly addresses people of all faiths, and people of
no faith. You can read the full text of the speech here:

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/06/28/call_to_renewal_keynot e_address.php
Again, ......., thank you for writing and for your support.

Sincerely,
Carrie
Correspondent
Obama for America
Edit: 
This speech is rather long so for those of you with less time on your hands I think the next

few paragraphs sum the whole speech up. If you feel I've taken this out of context please let
me know.

Imagine Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address without reference to "the judgments of the Lord." Or King's I Have a Dream speech without references to "all of God's children." Their summoning of a higher truth helped inspire what had seemed impossible, and move the nation to embrace a common destiny.

Our failure as progressives to tap into the moral underpinnings of the nation is not just rhetorical, though. Our fear of getting "preachy" may also lead us to discount the role that values and culture play in some of our most urgent social problems.

After all, the problems of poverty and racism, the uninsured and the unemployed, are not simply technical problems in search of the perfect ten point plan. They are rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness - in the imperfections of man.

Solving these problems will require changes in government policy, but it will also require changes in hearts and a change in minds. I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers' lobby - but I also believe that when a gang-banger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels somebody disrespected him, we've got a moral problem. There's a hole in that young man's heart - a hole that the government alone cannot fix.

...

In fact, because I do not believe that religious people have a monopoly on morality, I would rather have someone who is grounded in morality and ethics, and who is also secular, affirm their morality and ethics and values without pretending that they're something they're not. They don't need to do that. None of us need to do that.

But what I am suggesting is this - secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause. So to say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

.....

Moreover, if we progressives shed some of these biases, we might recognize some overlapping values that both religious and secular people share when it comes to the moral and material direction of our country. We might recognize that the call to sacrifice on behalf of the next generation, the need to think in terms of "thou" and not just "I," resonates in religious congregations all across the country. And we might realize that we have the ability to reach out to the evangelical community and engage millions of religious Americans in the larger project of American renewal.

...

So the question is, how do we build on these still-tentative partnerships between religious and secular people of good will? It's going to take more work, a lot more work than we've done so far. The tensions and the suspicions on each side of the religious divide will have to be squarely addressed. And each side will need to accept some ground rules for collaboration.

...

For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it.

...

And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.

This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

...

But a sense of proportion should also guide those who police the boundaries between church and state. Not every mention of God in public is a breach to the wall of separation - context matters. It is doubtful that children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance feel oppressed or brainwashed as a consequence of muttering the phrase "under God." I didn't. Having voluntary student prayer groups use school property to meet should not be a threat, any more than its use by the High School Republicans should threaten Democrats. And one can envision certain faith-based programs - targeting ex-offenders or substance abusers - that offer a uniquely powerful way of solving problems.

...

And that night, before I went to bed I said a prayer of my own. It's a prayer I think I share with a lot of Americans. A hope that we can live with one another in a way that reconciles the beliefs of each with the good of all. It's a prayer worth praying, and a conversation worth having in this country in the months and years to come.

Make of it what you will.

Reply from Ron Paul

Ron Paul is our first replier and I would like to thank Chris Robertson for getting back to me so swiftly.

Here is the email:

Dear .....,

Thank you for taking the time to write the campaign to personally find out more about Dr. Paul's view on the role of faith in his life. One of Dr. Paul's primary messages is about personal freedom and liberty, meaning that government should not dictate individual behavior to people so long as they are not engaging in activity that harms others. A person's faith is a deeply personal and private issue which the government should never dictate. Dr. Paul supports personal and economic freedom, including the choice to not engage in organized religion. Let me also refer you to this link, it outlines Dr. Paul's position on racism and prejudice which I think outlines his position rather well. I'm sure you will understand the relevance as it relates to your question.

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst041607.htm

Yours in Liberty,
Chris Robertson
Ron Paul 2008

Please leave a comment for Mr Paul and the rest of us! Free speech and discussion, you've gotta love 'em!

The Candidates

To find out what the heck is going on please go here: How this all began

This is just a list of presidential hopefuls with links to their: Contact Me pages so you can send them your own letter! Show the polititians we have a voice! Regardless of your political stance, we should NOT be a silent minority. Please send any replies you receive to us here at GodlessHeathen so others can read!

(I oppose using capitals to accentuate a point however I'm unable to use Italics on this thing at the moment, please ignore it)

The Democrats

Joe Biden
Senator of Delaware
Status: Has not replied

Hillary Rodham Clinton
Senator of New York
Status: Has replied with an apology. "Your query cannot be answered"

Chris Dodd
Senator of Connecticut
Status: Has not replied

John Edwards
Former Senator of North Carolina
Status: Has not replied

Mike Gravel
Former Senator of Alaska
Status: Has not replied

Dennis Kucinich
Representative of Ohio's 10th District
Status: Has not replied

Barack Obama
Senator of Illinois
Status: Has replied! Read it here

Bill Richardson
Governor of New Mexico
Status: Has not replied

The Republican Candidates

Rudy Giuliani
Former Mayor of New York
Status: Has not replied

Mike Huckabee
Former Governor of Arkansas
Status: Has not replied

Duncan Hunter
Representative of Riverside, California
Status: Has not replied

Alan Keyes
Former Reagan diplomat
Status: Has not replied

John McCain
Senator of Arizona
Status: Has not replied

Ron Paul
Representative from Texas
Status: Has replied! See it here

Tom Tancredo
Representative from Colorado
Status: Has not replied
(Please note Mr Tancredo's email link does not work, I had to fax him.)

Fred Thompson
Former Senator of Tennessee
Status: Has not replied

Happy emailing!

If you would like to contact Mitt Romney please do so here. I personally don't trust myself to write to him in a pleasant and inquisitive manner, as I hope I have done all the others, and as such will not be expecting a reply any time soon! If any of you write to him and receive a reply please send it in!

How this all began

In February 2006 Mitt Romney said: "Well, I think people in this country want a person of faith to lead them as their governor, as their senator, as their president" Effectively stating that anyone who didn't have faith in their imaginary friend wasn't fit for office.

This enraging/insulting/hopelessly misguided point has been put to my 11 year old sister on a number of occasions by adults. However, as I was out of the country at the time it didn't come to my attention until I started reading backlogs of The Carnival of the Godless. Unfortunately the exact article I was reading eludes me, if it was you please let me know! But the blog entry I read basically encouraged readers to do the following: Ask Mitt Romney what message he wants to send to godless children? And why does he think they'll never be qualified for office?

I decided not to ask Mitt Romney anything, as I feel even buying a ticket to one of his events qualifies as a statement somewhere along the lines of: Joseph-Smith-though-he's-dead-should-still-have-an-influence -over-policies. Instead I sent an email (and in one case a fax) to all presidential hopefuls, except Mitt Romney, asking what they thought of us "Godless Heathens" and how they would try and curb our villification.

I wasn't exactly sober when I did it, but the letter went something like this:

Dear Senator,

As a first time voter, I am delighted that on looking through your website and throughout internet, I am provided with a vast wealth of information regarding your opinions and beliefs about almost every problem facing America, and the world today.

I have a concern regarding your lack of opinion, and policy ideas, regarding faith and the lack thereof. I have yet to find a candidate who will address the issue of non-believers. Mitt Romney is quoted as saying: I'm convinced that the nation . . . needs a person of faith to lead the country. A statement basically telling me and my younger brother and sister that just because we don't believe in God, we are not authorized to be president. This is regardless of our compassion for humanity, knowledge on foreign policy or any other distinguishing feature which may qualify us for the job.

Mitt Romney received a standing ovation for that statement, and it gets worse. Atheists are said to be less trustworthy than any other group of Americans. My 11 year old sister has been told, by grown women, that she is going to hell. Parents have told their children to deliberately ostracize my siblings due to their lack of belief. A teacher, in a public school, mentioned God and that evolution was "sinful" to a classroom and when we protested were told that, as the minority, we were unable to have a voice on the matter. I will be contacting the ACLU about this.

So my question is: What do you plan on doing to ensure that we have freedom 'from' religion. And how will you help others understand that atheists are not "the anti-christ" and not out to get Christians, or Muslims, or Hindu's. We want what the religious want, tolerance and understanding.

I look forward to your reply,


Not the best worded letter, and yes it's presumptuous of me to say We want... but I'm sure you understand the general premise, and hopefully the candidates will too!

INERRANCY REDUX

One thing we DO know for sure is that god didn’t create the Xerox machine. For centuries the process of copying precious manuscripts was assigned to early scribes and monks working in Scriptoriums in small abbeys across the Greek world. We ALSO know that there are no original manuscripts of the bible preserved today.So how, then, did we get from the original author(s)’s writings to today’s

Cool Atheist Music 8 – Bad Religion – God Song

Firstly, apologies for the lack of posts over the last couple of weeks. Turns out this PhD thing takes up a lot of your time! We now return you to your normal blogging service, with a slightly delayed cool atheist music.



This week's cool atheist music is again from Bad Religion - it's a great acoustic version of one of their classics. If you want to hear the original, complete with raging guitar, it's here.

If anyone has any ideas for cool atheist music feel free to contribute, and hopefully this series can become a little more regular! For previous posts in this series, see here.

Second Life Delusion?

Second Life Players Bring Virtual Reality to Court
Since when has reality been required for legal action?
Now that's hilarious.
In Second Life, more than nine million users spend many real hours and lots of very real money to clothe, feed and comfort their avatars. According to Linden Labs, proprietors of the virtual environment platform where all this craziness takes place, users cumulatively conduct transactions totaling more than $1 million each day. That's real dollars -- the kind you can use to clothe, feed and comfort yourself in the real world.
That is just plain sad. Although not surprising, so many people are unsatisfied with their own lives and feel this is a way to "Fix" that.... Instead of actually getting out of the house and making things happen or socializing with real people face to face.
Still, these virtual-world real-world lawsuits can get pretty tricky. How and to what extent should real laws apply in Second Life?
Here is the simple answer, They shouldn't!! What happen? did the "Virtual" court system throw the case out? I mean if they have a CSI-NY in Second Life one would expect they have some type of justice system, right?

However, is it really surprising that people would be so obsessed with Second Life? We have millions who still believe in the invisible sky daddy... I've never played around with Second Life, but does it have churches too... that would be quite funny....

Atheist Dogma

I was discussing the relative worthlessness of “debates” between rationalists and theists with a fellow atheist recently, and he expressed the opinion that it seemed like both sides just spew forth their own dogma, nobody considers the opposing opinion, and nothing positive comes from the effort. I don’t personally feel that debating is a waste [...]

Harris Is Good, but…

Dale recently made a very well written argument against Harris's recent spat with the Atheist title, and the "secular humanist" club I belong to recently posted a small snippet about why Harris is so great for doing so. So, I thought I'd carry on defending the title like Dale did, and here's what I had to say about this incredibly boring matter:

Sam Harris might be head and shoulders higher up on the intellectual stimulating level than a lot of the other "New Atheists", but that doesn't mean he's very lonely up there, or really bringing much new to the conversation.

He's big into conversational intolerance. It's not a new idea; he simply articulates himself very well and opens up the idea to a wider audience than those who came before him. He's big into the exploration of meditative studies and brain sciences. Again, that's not exactly new territory. He's bringing a slightly unique spin to meditation, but in medicinal brain studies, he's far from a forerunner in any way shape or form. He's also big into the let's-not-use-atheist-as-a-title bit. That's a tired, tired subject, and I'm so disappointed he's found nothing worth-while to talk about.

I don't think anyone's forgetting Dawkins' and Dennet's forays into new 'atheist' titles. They've thrown 'bright' out there and humanist, secularist, naturalist, and all those other synonyms. This isn't a new topic, and it's not something that's ever been received with any sort of sufficient enthusiasm. The people listenning to these lectures aren't oblivious to the field; they aren't disinterested, and they don't readily lose track of the ins and outs of the New Atheist movement. Could there be a reason the atheist name change hasn't been received well in the past?

It could be because it's stupid, and we really all should be spending our valiant secular efforts on something new, something interesting, and something relevant to the world.

A brief summation of why we should distance ourselves from the atheist title: some atheist have become dogmatic, and the name has a stigma attached to it.

Lawyers have all sorts of individuals within that umbrella term that all sorts of other individual Lawyers would love to be distanced from. The thing is: they're all still lawyers! The catch, though, is they're all freaking different lawyers! There are business lawyers, insurance lawyers, homicide lawyers, Denny Crane, and Alan Shore. The term "lawyer" doesn't actually typify anything. It's just an umbrella term that catches a broad spectrum of individual professions. It doesn't actually apply any "real" definitions other than that everyone categorized into the group practises some form of law. The stigma surrounding lawyers carries over unto these varying individuals only in the broadest sense of the idea. We all know for a fact that not all lawyers are blood-thirsty, money driven loons.

Stereotypes just happen, but that doesn't mean we should avoid the word that's been stereotyped; we should stop the stereotyping of the word!

Other similar umbrella terms would be: doctors, teachers, Christians (there are a lot of very different kinds of Christians), theists, philosophers, researchers, etcetera. None of these terms actually carry a stigma to all the parties involved with the term. The stereo-types about teachers in general do not follow when applied to those who teach the learning impaired. Different stigmas are attached to French teachers than science teachers. Should they really try and change their title to "education officer" to distance themselves from the teacher stereotype?

Atheist is simply another umbrella descriptor. It describes a large body of individuals and groups who do not necessarily agree or even relate in certain aspects of the relevant attributes. Carpe Diem is described as a secular humanist group. Not all atheists are humanists. Not all atheists, and probably very few, actually live their life by the motto "seize the day".

The term "atheist" (or doctor, or lawyer, or teacher, or whatever!) is an umbrella term used to describe a broad base of individuals. The actual term is meaningless in typifying any one atheist, as any meaning carried by the word outside of its definition (not a theist) is connotation. The connotation is what needs to be distanced from us, not the term. We should work at eliminating the stigma.

Atheist is a useful word in describing the people it generally is attached to. We, very simply, are not theists. Most everyone else is. If the majority of people were astrologers, then we would be very effective in labelling ourselves "not-astrologers".

Christian, as a term, unites a large group by one characteristic. Atheist, as a term, unites a large group by one characteristic. Why throw away a term when the term isn't the problem and the understanding of the term is? We didn't throw out Quantum Physics because we didn't understand them...

I respect Harris. He's one of my heroes. He's an exceptional speaker, a gifted debater, and extremely knowledgeable. But he's wasting his efforts on such a damnably tired subject. Dawkins failed to change the majority of atheists' minds; why should we really believe Harris will? And really, he doesn't have to change the title we unite under. He has to go out and tear up the religious fabric of society like he says he wants to be doing.

- Zennalathas
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.

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And You Thought Your Job Was Bad…

Imagine writing this on your resume:

Integral member of research team that electronically stimulated anteaters to elicit ejaculations. Explored the quaternary structure of the spiny anteater penis.

It can always get worse.

Full story (and video) from New Scientist HERE

VA Catchphrase

It's been a while since I made a post... and I feel a bit guilty about that, I've just had busy shit going on in my life recently.

Anyways, in lieu of anything important, I'm attempting a submission for a catchphrase for VA:

If I gave a shit, you'd be the first person I'd give it to.

I had a t-shirt once that said that, and it seems to suit VA's style well.

god is not Great: (not) A Book Review

Regular readers may remember me expressing an intention to write a review of god is not Great by Christopher Hitchens. With my apologies, I must now tell you that I have decided not to write that review for two distinct, but connected, reasons.

Firstly, I have allowed too much time to pass since finishing the book, to the point where scanning it would be insufficient to refresh my memory – I would need to reread it.

Secondly, the reason I have put it off for this long is that I don’t think I actually have anything particularly clever or significant to say about it. I would prefer not to write it at all than force the issue and do a poor job of it.

Please don’t misunderstand me; my sentiments are entirely positive. I am happy to say that it is an excellent read, and that I highly recommend it. After the works of scientists like Dawkins and Harris, and philosophers like Dennett and Onfray, it is very interesting to read a journalist’s take on religion in the modern world. And no ordinary journalist, mind you – Hitchens’ intellect is staggering.

god is not Great has been reviewed many times both within and beyond the atheosphere, by many bloggers whom, I’m quite sure, will have done a far better job than I would have done. There are only a quick Google search away. Better still, if you’re interested, I recommend reading it for one’s self.


What god eats for breakfast



The wife and I were grocery shopping today and I came across this little gem of a product. I was forced to buy it since I didn't have my camera in the store with me. But how could I resist? Right there on the shelf next to the Cap'n Crunch was genuine god cereal.

The cereal is made by an organic whole grain food company named Food for Life.

They also make a line of Genesis1:29 grain and seed breads.

I did actually taste the product. It has the consistency of gravel but taste kind of like Grape Nuts. Edible at best but nothing heavenly tasting for sure; although I do have the sudden urge to denounce evolution, beat up a homosexual, and talk to an imaginary friend.

Fundamentalism in Science Education?

The Discovery Institute, a think tank based in Seattle, has published an article titled "Dr. Pigliucci and Fundamentalism in Science Education" on its Evolution: News & Views website.

The article criticizes SUNY professor Massimo Pigliucci - who has PhDs in genetics, botany and philosophy - and who wrote an essay titled "The Evolution-Creation Wars" for the McGill Journal for Education.

Here is the abstract for the essay:

The creation-evolution “controversy” has been with us for more than a century. Here I argue that merely teaching more science will probably not improve the situation; we need to understand the controversy as part of a broader problem with public acceptance of pseudoscience, and respond by teaching how science works as a method. Critical thinking is difficult to teach, but educators can rely on increasing evidence from neurobiology about how the brain learns, or fails to.

The Evolution: News & Views article was written by Michael Egnor, a colleague of Dr. Pigliucci's at SUNY. Egnor takes issue with several of Pigliucci's assertions and characterizations in his essay, namely: the conflation of Creationism with Intelligent Design; and that a better science education is a "tonic against belief in Heaven"; the conflation of philosophical naturalism with methodological naturalism. Additionally, Egnor claims that it is misleading for Pigliucci to claim that there is no controversy over the teaching of Intelligent Design.

Allow me to address these issues in turn:

First, I actually agree with Egnor that "Creationism" and "Intelligent design" are ostensibly different things; however, the history behind the Intelligent Design movement puts the lie to the prima facie difference between the two.

The seeds of the Intelligent Design movement have been shown to be found in the Supreme Court case of Edwards vs. Aguillard (1987), where the Court ruled

that a Louisiana law requiring that creation science be taught in public schools whenever evolution was taught was unconstitutional, because the law was specifically intended to advance a particular religion. At the same time, however, it held that "teaching a variety of scientific theories about the origins of humankind to school children might be validly done with the clear secular intent of enhancing the effectiveness of science instruction."

One of the textbooks the creationism advocates proposed to be used was Of Pandas and People, which was originally published by the Foundation for Thought and Ethics, whose original purpose was "promoting and publishing textbooks presenting a Christian perspective." The defeat in the Edwards vs. Aguillard case led the leaders of the Intelligent Design movement - who are also the leaders of The Discovery Institute - to substitute the references to creationism and creation science with Intelligent Design. As noted in the more recent court case of Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District (2005):

As Plaintiffs meticulously and effectively presented to the Court, Pandas went through many drafts, several of which were completed prior to and some after the Supreme Court's decision in Edwards, which held that the Constitution forbids teaching creationism as science. By comparing the pre and post Edwards drafts of Pandas, three astonishing points emerge:

(1) the definition for creation science in early drafts is identical to the definition of ID;

(2) cognates of the word creation (creationism and creationist), which appeared approximately 150 times were deliberately and systematically replaced with the phrase ID; and

(3) the changes occurred shortly after the Supreme Court held that creation science is religious and cannot be taught in public school science classes in Edwards. This word substitution is telling, significant, and reveals that a purposeful change of words was effected without any corresponding change in content .... The weight of the evidence clearly demonstrates, as noted, that the systemic change from “creation” to “intelligent design” occurred sometime in 1987, after the Supreme Court’s important Edwards decision."


As if that wasn't enough to indict the Intelligent Design movement, there is the infamous Wedge strategy, the goal of which is

To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and political legacies.

To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.


So for Egnor to claim that "Intelligent design isn’t a religious belief" is the height of disingenuousness; an accusation he himself levels at Pigliucci.

Additionally, he claims that Pigliucci's assertion that a better science education would dissuade people of a belief in Heaven is "jaw-dropping." What is jaw-dropping is the fact that many adults (75% according to Pigliucci) still cling to a childhood notion of Heaven as a physical place. Egnor laments the fact that not only are scientists not investigating Heaven, but that it would be impossible for them to do so because the "natural world is the only domain to which science appertains." But if Egnor is a scientist, and if he claims that Heaven and the existence of an afterlife are not investigable by the methods of science, then how would anyone know that there is a Heaven?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The onus is on those who make an assertion. If someone says, "Heaven exists", it's only fair to ask, "What is your evidence?" It is not incumbent upon the scientists to go around disproving every outrageous claim. Egnor wonders how science could possibly prove the non-existence of things that are outside of nature. But since theists like Egnor make claims about things that purportedly exist outside of nature, a better question would be, "How can you prove the existence of things outside of nature?" An even better question would be, "Why would you want to teach such things to young people in a science class?"

I should also point out that, contrary to Egnor, what Pigliucci recommends as a "tonic" to unsupported beliefs about the world is not science education per se, but critical thinking. As Pigliucci notes in his essay:

The most revealing thing was that most of the non-science students in the survey (those with a lower belief in the paranormal) were in fact philosophy or psychology majors, who actually take courses on the scientific method and critical thinking.

Could it be that it's not just the amount of education (scientific or otherwise) that matters, but the way in which that education is administered?


He goes on to answer "yes" and then gives his reasons why.

Regarding Egnor's claim that Pigliucci is muddling the distinction between methodological naturalism and metaphysical naturalism, philosopher Barbara Forrest wrote a paper titled "Methodological Naturalism and Philosophical Naturalism: Clarifying the Connection", in which she writes:

In response to the charge that methodological naturalism in science logically requires the a priori adoption of a naturalistic metaphysics, I examine the question whether methodological naturalism entails philosophical naturalism. I conclude that the relationship between methodological and philosophical naturalism, while not one of logical entailment, is the only reasonable metaphysical conclusion, given (1) the demonstrated success of methodological naturalism, combined with (2) the massive amount of knowledge gained by it, (3) the lack of a method or epistemology for knowing the supernatural, and (4) the subsequent lack of evidence for the supernatural. The above factors together provide solid grounding for philosophical naturalism, while supernaturalism remains little more than a logical possibility.

In contrast, Egnor writes:

In point of fact, Dr. Pigliucci proposes to teach students philosophical naturalism veiled in scientific naturalism. His purpose is ideological....Fundamentalists of all stripes can't seem to keep their religious views out of science. Dr. Pigliucci — a professor of philosophy as well as of evolutionary biology — knows the difference between atheism and science. His choice not to be forthright about the difference is emblematic of the fundamentalist approach — the Darwinist approach — to science education.

But the simple fact is that Intelligent design is not science, and thus shouldn't be taught in science classes. Egnor further claims that there is a controversy over Intelligent Design:

The real controversy— and it is a raging controversy— is about intelligent design. Intelligent design is the scientific theory that there is evidence for intelligent agency in some aspects of biology, for example in the genetic code and in the intricate molecular machines inside cells.

Scientists who support intelligent design are a very small fraction of scientists, at least a small fraction of biologists. Yet the controversy between intelligent design and Darwinism is a scientific controversy.

But there is no controversy - certainly not a "raging" one; and he even admits that only a very small fraction of scientists support it. The controversy is all in the imagination of the supporters of Intelligent Design. In the scientific community - those who "do" science - there is no controversy. As philosopher Daniel C. Dennett sums it up:

Instead, the proponents of intelligent design use a ploy that works something like this. First you misuse or misdescribe some scientist's work. Then you get an angry rebuttal. Then, instead of dealing forthrightly with the charges leveled, you cite the rebuttal as evidence that there is a "controversy" to teach.

Dennett also addresses the issue of whether or not Intelligent Design is science, so I'll end this post with a few more comments from him:

In short, no science. Indeed, no intelligent design hypothesis has even been ventured as a rival explanation of any biological phenomenon. This might seem surprising to people who think that intelligent design competes directly with the hypothesis of non-intelligent design by natural selection. But saying, as intelligent design proponents do, "You haven't explained everything yet," is not a competing hypothesis. Evolutionary biology certainly hasn't explained everything that perplexes biologists. But intelligent design hasn't yet tried to explain anything.

To formulate a competing hypothesis, you have to get down in the trenches and offer details that have testable implications. So far, intelligent design proponents have conveniently sidestepped that requirement, claiming that they have no specifics in mind about who or what the intelligent designer might be.


But we do know who the designer might be, thanks to their strategy outlined in the Wedge document noted at the beginning of this post: it's the Judeo-Christian God.

The Trojan Horse is alive and well, unfortunately.





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Saying something nice about religion.

Thrash Metal = Bible?

I never really understood the stigma that religious persons attach to atheists. I didn't see how it was all that funny to point and say, "You're just an ass-hole atheist!" Even Dane Cook pulls that crap. I realize we pressure the religious with differing points of view, and even ridicule them rather aggressively in the intellectual field, but I still didn't see where this sense of "bullying" came through.

I tell Christians and Muslims and Jews and whatever that they're deluded on a regular basis, and even go to kind of creepy lengths to do it. I recently went through my campus parking lot and drew feet on all the Jesus fish bumper stickers. But, while petty, was that really in-your-face-arrogant-ass mean?

I put in the new Exodus album today and found myself understanding the ass-hole stereotype completely. "Children of a Worthless God" might have been the track that did it...

We all hear about the straw-man debates that Dawkins and Hitchens and Harris all get called on, but I think it's fair to say that they're not straw-men comments because the people they're describing actually exist. It's easy to forget that when the religious use the same--cruder--straw-men arguments, that they also got their stereotype from somewhere.

Obviously these religious nuts are mistaking aggressive music (which kicks ass!) as intellectual discourse, and I'd never say that the lyrics to song accurately reflect a philosophical or intellectual position. Even John Lennon's life choices aren't fully explored in his song, "Imagine".

I think the parallel between our "straw-man" and their "straw-man" is kind of funny. We take ours from those who study doctrine at length and practise the insanity they read. They take theirs from those who listen to extreme music often depicting insanity. Does that infer an equal intellectual standing between thrash metal lyrics and religious doctrine? I'd say that's about right...

- Zennalathas
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.