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Why Determinism Doesn’t Get Us Off The Hook

This post is about comparing the two seemingly contradictory concepts of determinism and moral responsibility. On one hand, if everything is determined by causality and physics, and this includes our brain activity, memories, thoughts, choices, and actions, then how can we be responsible for what we do?[1] On the other hand, it sure seems like we should be held responsible for what we do. If we weren't, couldn't we use that as an excuse to be even worse than we might be otherwise? Wouldn't all of ethics and morality fall away as being some sort of sham?

I believe these issues clear up considerably when we have clear definitions of things like: 'morality', 'responsibility', 'will', 'free', and so on. In my view, what is happening here when we perceive a conflict between these two concepts is that we are assigning meanings to one or the other which are inappropriate.

First, start with the premise that it's all "atoms and the void", interacting in a causal nexus according to the laws of physics. What will happen will happen.

Next, imagine there are various subsets of these atomic structures with various sorts of behaviors that emerge out of these complex interactions. We, as thinking beings, assign various names to clumps of these atoms, to various forms we find repeated throughout nature, and to various sorts of activities within and between these clumps.

One of the clumps of atoms we see repeated is what we've called 'human beings'[2]. We've also observed that these 'human beings' have various sorts of common behaviors. Among them is the tendency to coordinate on opinions regarding the acceptability or unacceptability of other behaviors - mostly those that deal with how they interact with one another. These notions tend to shift over time in the culture in response to environmental factors, conditions, and human nature. They are generally 'enforced' through social pressures, ranging from social discomfort to the use of force, depending on how important the behavioral rule is generally held to be. This is human morality[3]. Forming these social norms is a tendency toward which all humans seem to have an instinctive, inborn natural inclination. This is evidenced by the fact that all human cultures have formed these social norms, even if the specifics of those norms vary. It seems quite obvious the reason Homo Sapiens evolved this tendency is related to the fact that humans are social animals and there is some survival benefit to coordinated cooperation and society-building in general. Our numbers seem to indicate that it is a particularly potent survival trait at that[4].

So, when we talk about morality, we should remember that we are talking about a human-level phenomenon, with human-level functions and roles. Certain concepts simply don't apply on certain scales. For example, one cannot meaningfully discuss 'air pressure' with respect to one atom of oxygen because the concept of pressure is inherently about the relationship between several molecules.

We need to ask ourselves why it is important for human beings to be held accountable for their actions? Why is it important for them to feel pity, remorse, shame? Why is it important for us to shun those who do wrong?

If we understand the survival benefits of morality, and we further understand the benefits to ourselves as individuals, then we can see that ethics is important, morality is important - not only despite its inherently human origins and function - but specifically because of that. Since ethics is important, its maintenance is as well. This means teaching it to children, encouraging it in peers, developing it in ourselves, and applying those social and legal pressures to those who do not comply (including punishments).

But what of our notion that a person shouldn't be responsible for something if they 'couldn't help it'? Let's look at the sentence: "Tom isn't responsible for his actions because of determinism." What we have to remember is what exactly we mean by "Tom" in that sentence. "Tom" is the name we have given a certain clump of atoms. When we look deeper at what we mean by the word, that clump doesn't necessarily refer to the clump of atoms that is Tom's body. Rather, we're talking about a 'person'. In other words, we're talking about the pattern of interaction and data that is maintained through the ongoing activity of atoms making up regions of a brain. 'Tom' is a pattern of information that interacts within itself as a complex system. The ability of that system to make selections between data and initiate actions is Tom's "will". Tom's will has a 'normal function' to it and when it is functioning properly and unhindered we can define this as being 'free' - free of obstruction or intrusion from unusual phenomena not typical to its normal operation. Tom therefore has a 'free will'. Thus, in talking about 'free will' much is cleared up by precisely defining what we mean by 'will' and what it means for a will to be 'free'. These are pragmatic and practical means of defining these characteristics in a way that is meaningful and useful.

In a deterministic universe, a person will operate causally, according to its natural function in interaction with its environment. Therefore, if ethics is important to humanity and beneficial to individual human beings, we must attempt to build an environment in which that person will adapt to be more likely to operate in the manner needed. We have found this is accomplished through social pressures such as shunning, blame, praise, and in more extreme cases punishment, confinement, etc. There are more artful ways of accomplishing this than through brute force, which often include more creative 'carrots' than 'sticks', but the bottom line is the same - human beings must be held accountable for their actions, precisely because we live in a deterministic universe. Meanwhile, to the contrary, it remains somewhat of a mystery as to why we should punish people if they are so free from causality that our punishments will have no causal effect on their future actions.

When we choose whether or not to hold a human being accountable for a moral misbehavior, we should look at whether or not the will was operating freely in the manner described above. The reason for this is that it is the will which that accountability is designed to mold. Guilt, pride, contentment, peace, unhappiness, shame, are all experiences which shape the will such that it will more often make certain choices and avoid others.

However, if we determine that a moral outrage took place because of some unusual interference with the will, such as a mental illness or brain damage, this is another matter. Similarly, if we find that the action took place due to accident beyond control of the will, it is also another matter. In both of these cases, there is no functional purpose to holding the person morally accountable because (1) the event was not an indication of the nature of the person's will we seek to mold, but rather some other phenomena effecting it, and (2) accountability is not capable of molding the external forces that were acting on the person's will, nor is accountability capable of molding anything having to do with incidental accidents which could happen at any time. Thus, accountability should only apply to cases of a freely operating will. Only there can it have the molding effect it is designed to.

Meanwhile, to apply such accountability (and the discomfort or displeasure that often accompanies it) in a case where the will was not free, would be giving those negative experiences to a will that was already properly formed or did not have the defects the accountability is seeking to dissolve. In such a case, the accountability may have an adverse affect, molding the will in unpredictable or undesired fashion such that inappropriate behavior is actually increased. In addition, it is a violation of a social contract with which we have agreed that we will not do to others what we would not want done to us (namely, applying negative experiences when we have done nothing negative ourselves). Should that contract be weakened, we all experience less enjoyable events on average. Therefore violations of it should be avoided where possible.

As you can see, moral responsibility and free will are phenomena like 'air pressure' which only make sense on a certain scale (a human scale). Meanwhile, determinism is a much more fundamental property. In this regard, it is simultaneously possible (even mutually necessary) for determinism to be true, the will to be free, and people to be morally responsible - so long as we define these concepts precisely and pragmatically. At least, that's my take.

For a nice essay on how the Stoics reconciled moral responsibility and determinism, see Dr. Keith Seddon's article: Do the Stoics succeed in showing how people can be morally responsible for some of their actions within the framework of causal determinism? [LINK HERE].


Notes:

[1] In dealing with this conundrum, I'm going to go ahead and assume that determinism is true - that we do indeed live in a completely mechanistic and causally determined universe. I'm also going to ignore quantum mechanical considerations on the basis that, even if randomness plays a role at the most fundamental levels of the universe, it averages out on larger scales that even brain activity statistically behaves as though it were more or less determined. Some say there might be exceptions whereby quantum fluctuations in portions of the brain might create a chain reaction leading up to the larger scale in our neural networks, thereby possibly resulting in different thoughts and actions. However, I'm going to discount this as well for these purposes, since randomness presents the very same conundrums where moral responsibility is concerned, in that it is still a phenomenon which may result in our choices and actions which is something other than a completely sovereign 'will'.

[2] The fact that we are the human beings is incidental to the fact that we can still observe ourselves objectively from an 'outside perspective' as we would any other phenomenon.

[3] For a more complete explanation, please see: Natural-Objective Ethics on my philosophy site.

[4] That is, if it doesn't turn out that our intellects, growth rate, or other traits result in overpopulation and stripping of the planet's resources, or possibly devastating warfare, destroying ourselves in the process. The answers to these questions remain to be seen.

Should’ve got the mark


You really feel he should've got the mark. However, my inner English teacher would like to note that 'hopeful' was spelled incorrectly, and 'live' is not, in fact, the opposite of death. 3/5, must try harder.

via god snot, where god's not

Why Atheists are Fat

Our praise isn't funky enough...


I wonder Paul Eugene is familiar with a certain passage in Leviticus that explicitly classifies Jazz-hands as an abomination...

Why Atheists are Fat

Our praise isn't funky enough...


I wonder Paul Eugene is familiar with a certain passage in Leviticus that explicitly classifies Jazz-hands as an abomination...

No Queers in Quaran Land


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran's provocative president spoke at Columbia University today. The university's president gave him the glowing introduction he desrved, calling him a "cruel dictator" and accused him of being either "brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated" regarding his denial of the Holocaust.

When asked about the reported abuse of women and homosexuals in his country, Ahmadinejad responded,"
We don't have homosexuals. [in Iran.] I don't know who told you we had it."

One wonders if that is the case because of some previously unstudied Founder Effect seen in the genetics of the population of Iran. Perhaps his Islamic fundamentalist fascist regime simply exterminates all the homosexuals. Or just maybe people live in repressed denial and fear and can not publicly admit to the nature of their sexuality. In either case I would doubt that there are no homosexuals in Iran.

I'll never understand the unhealthy obsession the religious have with sexuality.
If you ask me, god seems a little too preoccupied with who we all have sex with.

Perhaps Mahmoud doth protest too much:

No Queers in Quaran Land


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran's provocative president spoke at Columbia University today. The university's president gave him the glowing introduction he desrved, calling him a "cruel dictator" and accused him of being either "brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated" regarding his denial of the Holocaust.

When asked about the reported abuse of women and homosexuals in his country, Ahmadinejad responded,"
We don't have homosexuals. [in Iran.] I don't know who told you we had it."

One wonders if that is the case because of some previously unstudied Founder Effect seen in the genetics of the population of Iran. Perhaps his Islamic fundamentalist fascist regime simply exterminates all the homosexuals. Or just maybe people live in repressed denial and fear and can not publicly admit to the nature of their sexuality. In either case I would doubt that there are no homosexuals in Iran.

I'll never understand the unhealthy obsession the religious have with sexuality.
If you ask me, god seems a little too preoccupied with who we all have sex with.

Perhaps Mahmoud doth protest too much:

UK Government still against freedom from religion in schools

PZ points out a Guardian report on a UK headteacher who wanted to establish a completely secular school, only to be informed by senior government officials that it would be a 'political impossibility'. There is still a legal requirement in all state schools for pupils to take part in a daily act of worship of a broadly Christian nature, and Dr. Paul Kelley was informed this would be impossible to change:
One senior figure at the then Department for Education and Skills, told Kelley that bishops in the House of Lords and ministers would block the plans. Religion, they added, was 'technically embedded' in many aspects of education.
Now I was lucky enough to complete most of my education in an international school abroad, but I returned to the UK for my A-Levels. I must admit that apart from a hymn or two once a month in assembly I can't recall any other of the trappings of religion intruding into my life, much less a 'daily act of worship' - I suspect this is something more honoured in the breach than in the observance. Of course, this doesn't change the fact that this is a ludicrous rule, and that it can't be changed highlights how ludicrous the system of having Bishops in the House of Lords is. That wasn't what really irritated me though. I'd like to pick out a couple of points from the article:
Dr Paul Kelley... wanted to challenge the legal requirement in all state schools for pupils to take part in a daily act of worship of a broadly Christian nature. There are only a handful of exceptions at faith schools where the daily worship can be based on a different religion.
(My emphasis). I see. So basically, it doesn't matter which magical sky god you may want to praise, as long as you are praising some magical sky god. Because obviously, it's just the general praising that's important. Dear god (ha), won't someone think of the children! More seriously, this seems to be another case of 'believing in belief' - a general indication that all religious belief is good and that a life without it is morally deficient. Surely there must be some way of challenging this blatant discrimination against atheists?

The second point:
A spokesman for the Church of England said: 'If he is arguing for a way for individual schools to opt out of those bits of the act he does not like that is not something we would support. Either overtly or by default, this country is still a Christian one.'
(Again, my emphasis.) What nonsense. Let's look at the stats shall we? Using the Tearfund survey (A Christian organisation, so if there is any bias it should be towards a more positive portrayal of the prevalence of Christianity), we see that whilst 53% of the UK identifies themselves as Christian, only 10% attend church weekly, with a further 5% attending monthly. Given that only 6% of the remaining 38% who claim to be Christian indicate they would consider attending church in the future, I think we can consider 21% as the upper bound for people with an active Christian belief. On the other hand, 39% of people identify themselves as having no religion. Now from those numbers, I don't think we can consider the UK 'overtly Christian'. What the Church of England means by 'by default' I don't know, but if they mean 'in name only' perhaps I agree with them - a slight majority of the UK would tick the box marked Christian if asked about religious affiliation, but that would be the only time the majority of them even thought about it. This seems quite a strange thing to be proud of however. In my view the UK is a secular nation with an unfortunate hangover from its religious past, as evidenced by it having a state religion that hardly anybody attends (2.8% of the UK attend a CoE church, according to the latest stats), but which still gets 26 seats in the House of Lords, and attempts to use this to bully anyone with a view it doesn't like out the way. We'll leave Dr. Kelley to sum it up:
'[enforced religious worship] is not, in my view, fair to a child and it is not offering them the opportunity to choose freely. The problem we are left with is a 19th-century architecture of education in a 21st-century environment.'
And, I would add, the same in government.

UPDATE: I notice Feeding the Fish has also blogged about this here.

Religion and Politics…..

....And why they should not be intermingled, even in a small town. This incredible display of "chrisitan" character absolutely disgusting!

City Commission Meeting Turns Ugly

They should make excellent commissioners! I just hope the citizens remember this later, and if they don't... you can be damn sure I'll still have this post around to remind them.

One of the great things I did notice about this election, is that the "Good ole Boy" network is loosing strength in this town. The final tally for mayor was only a difference of 15 votes.. 49% to 51% at least that shows that the town is growing closer to becoming more progressive. Hopefully, in another 4yrs, enough new people might move in and finally wipe out the old school of thought and actually bring about the much needed change in this area.

Religion and Politics…..

....And why they should not be intermingled, even in a small town. This incredible display of "chrisitan" character absolutely disgusting!

City Commission Meeting Turns Ugly

They should make excellent commissioners! I just hope the citizens remember this later, and if they don't... you can be damn sure I'll still have this post around to remind them.

One of the great things I did notice about this election, is that the "Good ole Boy" network is loosing strength in this town. The final tally for mayor was only a difference of 15 votes.. 49% to 51% at least that shows that the town is growing closer to becoming more progressive. Hopefully, in another 4yrs, enough new people might move in and finally wipe out the old school of thought and actually bring about the much needed change in this area.

1 Month Old, and the Brights Equinox fund appeal

Today this blog is 1 month and a day old (I forgot it was a month old yesterday, okay?). It's had 2042 visits so far, thanks in no small part to some linkage from Pharyngula. Thanks PZ! Hopefully I can keep thinking up enough interesting content to keep these viewing figures up. Thanks to everyone who's already come along to visit, and feel free to stop by and comment anytime!

In other news, the Brights Equinox Fund Drive appeal is now on. If you fancy supporting an organisation pushing for wider acceptance of a naturalistic worldview, click here to donate. Alternatively, if you feel you meet the Bright criteria,
* A bright is a person who has a naturalistic worldview
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* The ethics and actions of a bright are based on a naturalistic worldview
and want to be part of a like-minded internet constituency of people, why not join The Brights today?

Sweet Mother of God They’re Dumb!

Quick, book a flight to Miami. Go ahead, right now, I'll wait.
Got your ticket? Great, now you will be able to wait in line for hours outside of St. Brendan's Church for your chance to catch a glimpse of your favorite Zombie-in-Savior and his never-been-laid mom!
OK , well, not exactly them- but shadows of them; well, not exactly shadows of them- shadows that kinda sorta look like what is widely accepted to be what they would look like if they actually existed and if you squint your eyes just right and.. oh yeah, you happen to be an idiot!

Yeah that sounds about right.

Video of the news report here
. **Warning Explicit Stupidity**
My favorite part is when the woman interviewed (a teacher) clarifies that what she sees is the ADULT Jesus. ( I assume to clarify it from the 8 pound 6 ounce baby Jesus, newborn not even spoken a word yet, who is just sitting in his crib watching Baby Einstein videos learning about shapes and colors.)

Yes, I'm certain that your imaginary friendly ghost-god is making himself "appear" to you through shadows on a piece of cloth. I'm sure that, after careful consideration, he has decided that this is the most effective and clear way to communicate his ethereal shadowy goodness to you, his adoring sheep-like bipeds. Its a genuine miracle! Gather up your sick, crippled, and afflicted and head on over St. Brendan's Catholic Church to ask the Rorschach spot on the tapestry to intervene on your behalf. The idiocy abounds!

New ideas to pay for my medical school loans:
  • I trowel some dog shit shit onto a poster board and randomly swirl. Those posters that have the slightest hint of a humanoid figure I auction off on: www.Iamahighlysuggestibleretardedbeliever.com claiming it is a miracle.
  • I print up and sell t-shirts that say "I waited in line all day to see some shadows and all I got was this fucking t-shirt"
It's worth a shot.

Sweet Mother of God They’re Dumb!

Quick, book a flight to Miami. Go ahead, right now, I'll wait.
Got your ticket? Great, now you will be able to wait in line for hours outside of St. Brendan's Church for your chance to catch a glimpse of your favorite Zombie-in-Savior and his never-been-laid mom!
OK , well, not exactly them- but shadows of them; well, not exactly shadows of them- shadows that kinda sorta look like what is widely accepted to be what they would look like if they actually existed and if you squint your eyes just right and.. oh yeah, you happen to be an idiot!

Yeah that sounds about right.

Video of the news report here
. **Warning Explicit Stupidity**
My favorite part is when the woman interviewed (a teacher) clarifies that what she sees is the ADULT Jesus. ( I assume to clarify it from the 8 pound 6 ounce baby Jesus, newborn not even spoken a word yet, who is just sitting in his crib watching Baby Einstein videos learning about shapes and colors.)

Yes, I'm certain that your imaginary friendly ghost-god is making himself "appear" to you through shadows on a piece of cloth. I'm sure that, after careful consideration, he has decided that this is the most effective and clear way to communicate his ethereal shadowy goodness to you, his adoring sheep-like bipeds. Its a genuine miracle! Gather up your sick, crippled, and afflicted and head on over St. Brendan's Catholic Church to ask the Rorschach spot on the tapestry to intervene on your behalf. The idiocy abounds!

New ideas to pay for my medical school loans:
  • I trowel some dog shit shit onto a poster board and randomly swirl. Those posters that have the slightest hint of a humanoid figure I auction off on: www.Iamahighlysuggestibleretardedbeliever.com claiming it is a miracle.
  • I print up and sell t-shirts that say "I waited in line all day to see some shadows and all I got was this fucking t-shirt"
It's worth a shot.

Dear Mr. President…

Pink at Wembley stadium. H/T Crooks and Liars.

Dear Mr. President…

Pink at Wembley stadium. H/T Crooks and Liars.

And now… the NEW Planet Atheism!

Yup. I was tired of the incredibly slow speed, RSS feed problems, and other annoying stuff. So I spent this morning migrating Planet Atheism to WordPress, using an aggregating plugin. I even changed the theme so that it looks like the old PA. :)

The good stuff:

- no more slo-o-o-owness (as in more than 1 minute to load the page)
- no more limits to the number of aggregated blogs
- a more "current" piece of software (WordPress is frequently updated, highly popular, and very well supported)
- no more hiccups with the RSS feed
- (this is mostly for me) no need to use a separate web server so that Simplepie memory leaks don't affect the rest of the sites.
- a search feature
- real, permanent archives (don't worry, every archived post still links to the original version, so search engines will recognize that PA is the duplicate).

The bad stuff:

- no more short posts version / list of post titles, at least for now. My stats show that very few people use the former, and if you really need something like either, you can just feed the RSS feed (!) into an aggregator and choose "titles only", or something like that
- I've just configured all of this, so there may be problems I haven't detected yet.

And now… the NEW Planet Atheism!

Yup. I was tired of the incredibly slow speed, RSS feed problems, and other annoying stuff. So I spent this morning migrating Planet Atheism to WordPress, using an aggregating plugin. I even changed the theme so that it looks like the old PA. :)

The good stuff:

- no more slo-o-o-owness (as in more than 1 minute to load the page)
- no more limits to the number of aggregated blogs
- a more "current" piece of software (WordPress is frequently updated, highly popular, and very well supported)
- no more hiccups with the RSS feed
- (this is mostly for me) no need to use a separate web server so that Simplepie memory leaks don't affect the rest of the sites.
- a search feature
- real, permanent archives (don't worry, every archived post still links to the original version, so search engines will recognize that PA is the duplicate).

The bad stuff:

- no more short posts version / list of post titles, at least for now. My stats show that very few people use the former, and if you really need something like either, you can just feed the RSS feed (!) into an aggregator and choose "titles only", or something like that
- I've just configured all of this, so there may be problems I haven't detected yet.