The Most Blasphemous Book Ever Written

by VorJack

Alright, the title is a bit hard to justify. How do you measure blasphemy, by volume? But if you were to measure the blasphemy of a book by the dubious means of counting the number of blasphemy convictions it produced, one book would stand above all others: Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason.

Ironically, it’s a work that Paine wrote to shore up religion in France following the revolution. But as John Adams once pointed out, Paine was better at tearing down than building up, and his attacks on Christianity got more attention than his advocacy of deism. Paine got labeled an atheist and was refused burial even in Quaker cemeteries. But his writings continued to influence people well after his death.

Paine’s Legacy

Pullquote: Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.
Rights of Man

Paine’s writings inspired some fervent disciples. One of them, William Cobbett, went so far as to dig up Paine’s remains from the farmer’s field where they were buried with the intention of building a shrine once the Revolution had come to England. It never came, the shrine never got built, and Paine’s bones are now, as the saying goes, “lost to history.” Check your basement.

Slightly less fervent, or perhaps slightly more sane, was Richard Carlisle. Carlisle ran a small shop on Fleet street in London where he printed and sold his own radical paper, The Republican, as well as a number of other politically radical publications. He was particularly fond of Thomas Paine, and would sell copies of his works at low cost.

Things got hot when when Carlisle began to publish attacks on the government following the Peterloo Massacre in 1819. Carlisle was arrested, tried and convicted of blasphemous libel for selling Age of Reason. This takes some explaining.

The British authorities had found that juries were reluctant to convict on the simple charges of sedition or libel. On the other hand, blasphemous libel was more successful and carried a stronger punch. It became the authorities’ preferred way of silencing dissent, and they used it to good effect to silence Carlisle and shut down his shop.

Well, that was the idea. Things went wrong for the government when Richard’s pregnant wife, Jane Carlisle, stepped in to run the shop. Arresting the wife would be bad optics, but Richard was somehow getting writings to her, and unflattering transcripts of his trial were being publish in The Republican. Jane was arrested, and would go on to give birth in prison.

The couple named their new son Thomas Paine Carlisle.

The War of the Shopmen

Pullquote: As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of all government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith.
Age of Reason

For the government, things started to go from bad to downright weird. As soon as Jane was arrested, Richard’s sister Mary Anne stepped in. She was arrested. She was promptly followed by a group of volunteers who continued to run Carlisle’s store, now called the “Temple of Reason.” They were arrested, but more volunteers arrived. And more. And more.

Some volunteers lasted no more than a day before being arrested, but there was always someone else. All told, somewhere around 150 people went to prison on the reliable charge of blasphemous libel. So many went to Newgate prison that they started writing a paper: Newgate Monthly Journal, available for purchase at the “Temple of Reason.”

As things heated up, there were some leaps of ingenuity. Realizing that spies were coming into the shop and later identifying the bookseller, they invented “Carlile’s invisible shopman.” A device was installed in the shop with a dial listing all the more controversial contents of the store. The customer simply turned the dial to the pamphlet of their choice, and the pamphlet was dispensed from a slot.

Sources differ on whether there was a man behind the dial or whether it was completely clockwork. I’d love to know for certain. If the first automated vending machine was created to dispense blasphemy … well, that would be too perfect.

And then … it stopped. It’s charmingly British, really. There was no great American show trial or battle on the Senate floor. In 1824, the last group of volunteers was tried and sentenced, and then authorities seemed to give up. Carlisle was released in 1825, and most of the volunteers were freed by 1826. The government had won nearly every case, but each victory had proven to be pyhrric.

Carlisle’s shop was not only operating but thriving, with people sometime paying three times the asked for price to support the effort. Paine’s works had now sold thousands of copies and diffused throughout the country, with more selling after every arrest. Carlisle had won, using only the methods of a publisher and bookseller. And the British government had finally developed a level of … * ahem* Paine tolerance.

So let’s remember men like Carlisle, who outsold, outwrote, and outlasted the government. And let’s raise a glass to old Tom Paine today, February 9th, one of the contested dates for his birthday. Tom, wherever your scattered body lies, you were the most scandalous pamphleteer and the greatest blasphemer of all time. We give you the only kind of afterlife an atheist can offer: we will remember you.

Shaving God, Part 1: The Laughable Christian Disarray

Shaving GodThe god to which every Christian prays is identical to the god that every Christian shaves. All Christianity is Self Projection as God. Part 1 of 4.

Christians don’t agree on much. It might just be fair to say that as a group Christians don’t agree on anything.

Because they don’t exist as a group.

There are over nine thousand denominations listed in the World Christian Database. You’ll find that many of those denominations have nationalities or ethnicities in their names: Dutch Reformed, Armenian Apostolic, and Black Baptist, for example.

You’ll also find that the post-modern, individualistic United States leads the way with 635 denominations—and that’s ignoring the innumerable independent churches. Each independent church is another denomination to itself.

Among those 635-plus denominations there are various versions of baptism, of the ten commandments, and of the bible. There are corresponding assortments of salvations, of Jesuses, and of gods.

In fact, it’s a lot easier to make a list of things on which they disagree than on things they do agree. Here’s one.

Here’s a long list, but that’s the point. Christians insist on some underlying unity, some common ground with one another, but where is it at? These are pretty basic, even some fundamental, points of Christianity on which Christians simply and self evidently do not agree.

Even if you only scan it, its length and cumulative power is impressive.

The Trinity.
The divinity of Jesus.
The literal and physical resurrection of Jesus.

The work of God the Father in saving men.
The work of God the Spirit in saving men.
The work of God the Son in saving men.

The work of a man in saving himself.
The place of good works in obtaining salvation.
The place of good works in maintaining salvation.

Whether Christ is the lone intermediary between humans and God.
The Gospel.
What makes a person a Christian.

Whether Christ will return.
The circumstances leading to Christ’s return.
What will happen to Christians before his return.

Whether God created the world in six literal days.
Whether Jonah was in a fish.
Whether Noah was in an ark.

What constitutes “The Church.”
What constitutes a particular church.
How “The Church” should be governed.
How a particular church should be governed.

If and how a person may join or leave a church.
The nature and extent of church authority.
The number and duties of church offices.

Who may be a church officer.
Whether women are excluded from church offices.
Whether homosexuals are excluded from church offices.

Whether church officers may marry.
Whether church officers must marry.
Whether church officers must have children.

Who may preach.
Who may officiate a sacrament.
How many sacraments exist.

What really happens at The Lord’s Supper.
Whether the bread is literally Jesus’ body.
Whether the wine literally Christ’s blood.

Who can have the Lord’s Supper.
Who can drink the wine.
Who can touch the crackers.

To whom baptism is to be administered.
By whom baptism is to be administered.
How baptism is to be administered.

What (if anything) constitutes an invalid baptism.
Whether rebaptisms are necessary.
Whether baptism still exists.

How many books are in the bible.
How the bible should be interpreted.
Who may interpret the bible.

What bible translation(s) are reliable?
What manuscript fragments are reliable?

Who may read the bible publicly.
The nature and extent of biblical authority.
The ongoing existence of miracles, tongue speaking, etc…

That’s why there are 635 denominations and countless independent churches in the United States: Christians can’t agree on anything.

They can’t agree despite Jesus’ claim that he would lead them into all truth. They won’t agree despite Jesus’ claim that they would be marked by love and unity. They refuse to agree despite Jesus’ claim to be truth itself.

Christians don’t agree on anything, including the fundamentals.

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God’s 76th Killing: God killed a couple hundred thousand people because David did a census that God told him to do

This is not an easy one to explain, but I'll give it a try.

It all starts with God telling David to do a census, you know like the one the U.S. Constitution requires us to do this year.

And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Samuel 24:1

Or was it Satan that asked David to do the census, as it says in 1 Chronicles 21:1?

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:1

Oh well, maybe it was both. In any case, David sent Joab out to take the census, and after 9 months and 20 days, Joab came back with the results: there were 800,000 sword-yielding men in Israel and 500,000 in Judah.

So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days. And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men. 2 Samuel 24:9

Or was it was 1,100,000 and 470,000 men in Israel and Judah, as it says in 1 Chronicles 21:5?

And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5

Whichever it may have been, either is comparable to the number of active duty soldiers in the U.S. military today. Not bad for small tribal kingdom in 1000 BCE!

After the census, David decided that he has done something wrong, which is weird since he had only taken a census that God told him to take.

And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done. 2 Samuel 24:10

And God was pissed off, too, at least that's what the prophet Gad told him. Gad said God offered him three choices:

  1. Seven years of famine (or three years if you believe the story in 1 Chronicles 11),

  2. Three months of losing battles,

  3. Or Three days of pestilence.
For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad ... saying ... Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things; choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee. ... Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land? 2 Samuel 24:11-13

David couldn't decide, so God decided for him. God chose the three days of pestilence, thereby killing 70,000 men, which would mean at least a couple hundred thousand people (only men count to God).

So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. 2 Samuel 24:15

But God was still pissed off, even after he finished killing a couple hundred thousand people in the pestilence that he chose as David's punishment for doing the census that he asked him to do. So he sent an angel to destroy the city of Jerusalem. But then God "repented him of the evil" that he intended to do and told the angel to stop.

(OK, I know. God doesn't repent, so when the Bible said that God "repented of the evil" that he intended to do, it meant something else entirely.)

And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. 2 Samuel 24:16

When David saw the angel that was still killing people, he said, "I've sinned, but what have these people done?" A good question, that God, of course, completely ignores.

And David spake unto the LORD when he saw the angel that smote the people, and said, Lo, I have sinned, and I have done wickedly: but these sheep, what have they done? 2 Samuel 24:17

Finally, Gad tells David to buy some land, make an altar, and kill some animals for God to get him to quit killing people. So David buys some land for 50 shekels of silver (or 600 shekels of gold if you believe the story in 1 Chronicles 21), sets up an altar, and kills some animals for God.

And God finally stopped killing people.

And Gad came that day to David, and said unto him, Go up, rear an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Araunah the Jebusite ... So David bought the threshingfloor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver. And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings. So the LORD was intreated for the land, and the plague was stayed from Israel. 2 Samuel 24:17-25

So it all worked out fine, and God said to himself, as the Brick Testament suggests, "This worked out well. Killing 200,000 Israelites but not harming David will teach him not to take a census when I tell him to take a census."

Because I’m Worth It

It’s kind of sad and pathetic how far I’ve fallen, I realized this weekend. I didn’t even feel like a person anymore; just a zombie wandering around trying to function through the fog of my mind. I realized how I’ve been doing the bare minimum on life, and I was tired of it and ready for a change.

In case you haven’t noticed, I’m quite a fan of lists and plans. So what do you suppose I did first? Yep, I made a master list of everything that I could change that I wanted to change. I tried to picture how I wanted my life to look, and jotted down everything I could think of that I could do right now to get me there. I decided to pick two things per week to work on. This week is insomnia and cleaning up my house. It’s not dirty and doesn’t smell bad, but it is a very cluttered wreck. While those things are going to be my focus, I still want to try to do some of the other things on my list. I’m just not going to worry about it if I don’t manage to accomplish those things.

So this morning, I got up and exercised, then took a shower. And it’s really telling just how bad things are when I had to walk myself through a basic routine. I chanted “I’m going to do X because I’m worth it” through everything I didn’t particularly feel like doing: flossing my teeth instead of just brushing them, actually fixing my hair rather than throwing it back in a ponytail, putting on a little bit of makeup, putting on lotion, and adding a splash of perfume. Wow. That’s pretty sad, especially now that I see it written. The plus side is that I do feel a little bit more like a human being instead of a zombie! Before, it was usually take a shower, brush teeth, throw on deodorant, maybe fix my hair if I had somewhere to go and felt like it (I do always at least brush it and put it up in a ponytail!), throw on some ratty jeans and a t-shirt/sweatshirt, and I’m out the door. Not that there’s anything wrong with not wearing makeup or just doing the essentials if that’s who you are and it works for you. I’m noticing that I’ve let the little things go entirely, and I just don’t even feel like a person anymore, so that’s what I’m personally working on. It’s like I’ve just kind of not felt like I deserve to treat myself with love and respect over the last couple of years, and I’m surprised at how much I have to push myself to do these few things.

But I am doing it and I am already feeling better, clearer. Yay!  Now to just work on feeling not pathetic for feeling like this is a victory! ;)

Turkish girl, 16, buried alive for talking to boys

Disgusting.

Turkish girl, 16, buried alive for talking to boys

Turkish police have recovered the body of a 16-year-old girl they say was buried alive by relatives in an “honour” killing carried out as punishment for talking to boys.

The girl, who has been identified only by the initials MM, was found in a sitting position with her hands tied, in a two-metre hole dug under a chicken pen outside her home in Kahta, in the south-eastern province of Adiyaman.

Police made the discovery in December after a tip-off from an informant, the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet reported on its website.

The girl had previously been reported missing.

The informant told the police she had been killed following a family “council” meeting.

Her father and grandfather are said to have been arrested and held in custody pending trial. It is unclear whether they have been charged. The girl’s mother was arrested but was later released.

Media reports said the father had told relatives he was unhappy that his daughter – one of nine children – had male friends. The grandfather is said to have beaten her for having relations with the opposite sex.

A postmortem examination revealed large amounts of soil in her lungs and stomach, indicating that she had been alive and conscious while being buried. Her body showed no signs of bruising.

The discovery will reopen the emotive debate in Turkey about “honour” killings, which are particularly prevalent in the impoverished south-east.

Official figures have indicated that more than 200 such killings take place each year, accounting for around half of all murders in Turkey.

Mr. Deity Tries To Find Time To Make Time


I don’t know if I’ve seen such a well-scripted bit of comdy about metaphysics and cosmology before:

Your Thoughts?

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No God, No Rules?

Sometimes when you ask a religious person what would happen if they did not believe in God they will say that they would have no reason to act moral anymore. There would be no more objective morality for them. Everything would become subjective and relative to personal whims and desires. There would be no difference between murder and dropping a stone. So, without God they would have no problem with rape, murder, theft, arson, adultery and all the things which they previously considered sinful. At face value this is completely ridiculous.

But, it makes perfect sense through Feuerbach’s work which I have talked about in You Are Your Own God. Since God is human nature externalized and objectified, then denial of such a God would be a denial of human nature. It would be a denial of our Reason, Will and Affection. That would be like the removal of the ego and super-ego from one’s psyche, leaving only the id behind. Like the brute we would be ruled by our desires.

I hope I have made more sense out of religious idiocy. And hopefully through reason I will be able to continue to correct their mistakes.

Related posts:

  1. You Are Your Own God
  2. The Question of Morality
  3. The Ten Commandments and Morality

“And It’s One Life And It’s This Life And It’s Beautiful”


That’s the key life affirming spirit from the teenaged Swedish sisters in the band First Aid Kit.  I’m not sure if or where they might make the big top 366 list but figured I’d pass on a great song in an atheist spirit to my godless readership.  The dissertation is completing steadily and I’ll be back to blogging about philosophy and atheist issues regularly again soon.

The song is called “Hard Believer”:

Your Thoughts?

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Dutch poll needs a little help

Dutch creationists have put up a foolish little poll — surprise them with a little adjustment.

Hoe is het leven op aarde ontstaan? (How did life arise on Earth?)

God schiep het leven in zes dagen (God created life in six days) 69.4%
Door Evolutie (By Evolution) 20.7%
Door Spontane Generatie (By Spontaneous Generation) 5%
God stuurde de evolutie (By god-directed evolution) 4.1%
God schiep het leven in langere tijd (God created life some time) 0.8%
Er is een intelligente ontwerper maar onbekend wie (There is an unknown intelligent designer) 0%

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Who Is Richard Shelby?

As an Alabamian, I’ve been familiar with Senator Shelby for many years now and I have never voted for him in all those years. I have written him on a number of occasions though; in fact, I’ve written him so often that I can pretty much predict what his form letter response will be on any given issue. As you might guess, his support for the extremist religious right agenda as well as his love for the big oil and coal corporations often put the 'good' senator and I at odds.

For instance back in 2005 Senator Shelby introduced the "Constitution Restoration Act", cosponsored by Senators Brownback and Burr which:
"...aims to reinforce states rights by clarifying that the Supreme Court and district courts do not have jurisdiction to hear cases brought against a federal, state or local government or officer for acknowledging God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."
Is it any wonder that Americans United gave him a 0% rating on the church-state separation issue (0%- 20%: opposition to church-state separation)?



Since President Obama's inauguration , Senator Shelby has taken on a leading role as one of  the GOP's top obstructionists opposing every idea the President has put forth.   Most recently he put what basically amounts to a “blanket hold” on more than 70 Obama nominees for important positions including the federal judiciary and crucial cabinet agencies.

In this particular case however, Sen. Shelby is not just obstructing for the sake of obstructing like most Republicans have been guilty of in recent months. No, he actually 'seems' to have the best interest of us Alabamians in mind. According to recent reports, Shelby is willing to lift his hold on the President’s appointees if the Senate will agree to award a $40 billion contract to have air-to-air refueling tankers built in Mobile, Alabama and fund a $45 million FBI lab outside Hunts Alabama.

Personally I’m all for bringing more jobs to my state but I don’t think preventing more than 70 vital positions, “including high ranking military, intelligence and national security” positions from being filled is the correct way to go about it. I don't fault Senator Shelby for keeping the interest of "sweet home Alabama" in mind when legislating but he shouldn't sacrifice the interests of our nation while doing so. 

It’s wrong when politicians from other states to use extortion tactics like this to bring in the bacon and it’s wrong for Shelby to do so too. That being said, Shelby would not be able to pull such a tactic if the Democratic Party and Harry Reid would grow a spine and force the Republicans to filibuster each nominee “one-by-one and deal with the very public consequences of their obstructionism.”

If you think the Democrats need to stand up and fight on this issue, you can sign this petition to Senate Majority Leader Reid urging him to force the Republicans to filibuster.

Just so you know, here are a few of the other positions Mr. Shelby has taken over the years which I have complained about to his office through letters and phone calls.
  • Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996)
  • Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
  • Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
  • Voted YES on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
  • Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
  • Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
  • Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
  • Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
  • Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
  • Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
  • Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Also consider this:
  • Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Rated 17% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006)
  • Amend Constitution to define traditional marriage. (Jun 2008)

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Tolerance, pass it on

Ever hear of Lighthouse Evangelism pastor Rony Tan? No? Don’t be surprised when Singaporeans string him up for attacking the central tenets of Buddhism. Because in Singapore, you can’t criticize another's believes because they are assumed to be sacred.

According to a report on Channel News Asia, ISD told Pastor Tan that in “preaching or proselytising his faith, he must not run down other religions, and must be mindful of the sensitivities of other religions”

The Ministry of Home Affairs gave a brief statement that Pastor Tan’s comments werer highly “inappropriate and unacceptable as they trivialised and insulted the beliefs of Buddhists and Taoists” which can also “give rise to tension and conflict between the Buddhist/Taoist and Christian communities.”

I like my freedom of speech. I find it disturbing when I encounter censorship and the protection of religion in other cultures.  We must protect our rights.

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Pastor Humberto Cruz convicted

My first email of this fine clear Monday contained a description of one Humberto Cruz, a former pastor and now convicted pedophile. He molested three young boys.

All three boys testified against Cruz during the trial, which began on Tuesday. One of them said he was sodomized by Cruz as many as 150 times between 2005 and 2006. Most of the crimes occurred at Cruz's home, but the jury also heard testimony about crimes that occurred in the church.

Cruz was the former pastor of the Newburgh Church of God in Orange County, New York. He faces up to 25 years in prison.

DADT: Clinching the Ring Finger

Honestly, I don’t think a lot more needs to be said about Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell except “Get rid of it already.” Still, I had a small epiphany this morning that I thought I’d share.

On the shuttle to the airport, I was sitting next to an active servicemember. He was wearing that really ugly pixelated camouflage uniform they all wear when they travel. I think that alone would be reason for me not to join the military, but I don’t want to fulfill stereotypes about gay men, because I’m really not all that fashion-conscious. There are just two important things you need to know:

1) He was in uniform. 2) He was wearing a wedding band.

I don’t know the guy’s name, or what he does, or really anything about him except for two points: he’s in the military, and he’s married.

There is always the chance that he has a same-sex partner. In fact, after spending the week at Creating Change, I’m actually still a bit conditioned to assume that everyone I meet is a member of the queer community. But given the culture of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, it’s almost impossible that he’s in a same-sex marriage, because he would be constantly asked about his wife. He’d thus constantly have to lie.

I wanted to ask him about his wife. I wanted to ask him about the female troops he works with. Do they feel harassed knowing that he’s heterosexual? Are people concerned he might assault them? Does the fact that he has an ever-present symbol of his sexuality in clear view affect his unit’s cohesion?

As Sue Fulton of Knights Out told us at Creating Change, the policy is not enforced as it is described. It is simply “Don’t Tell.” As soon as an accusation is put forth, an investigation ensues, and then a whole lot of asking takes place, and as we know, a whole lot of discharges.

But the simple, recognizable symbol of a wedding band might be the key to pointing out to people that DADT has got to go. For all the stories we can relate about the consequences for gay and lesbian troops, perhaps this wedding band is the symbol that will help people see how simple and profound the discrimination is.

Later this week I’m going to do a post highlighting the photography of Jeff Sheng, and I think this context will be important to note. Despite the fact that many servicemembers have significant others in their life, they have to constantly hide their private lives. There are a lot of ringless fingers in his photographs.


(debate) Did Jesus Worship Satan?


Intro:

I like debating weird hypothetical arguments.  One gets tired of the same old normal arguments that (while necessary, culturally) get really really boring after a while.  I've recently tested out my "Does God Lie?" argument in a public debate with some success. 

I'm brainstorming ideas for how to argue the case that if we accept the scenario of Jesus being tempted in the desert by Satan, the balance of evidence seems to be in favor of Jesus giving in. 


It would have to be possible for Jesus to fail in the desert for it to be a real temptation.  If it was impossible for Jesus to sin, then it would only be a meaningless taunting.  A show. 

The evidence indicates that he did fail and decide to worship Satan.

Presumably God the Father would abandon the earthly Jesus in that event.

Jesus was a failed prophet who predicted he would return shortly.  He didn't.  (It's been a LONG time, too)  Perhaps he knew this was how it was supposed to be, but God the Father was no longer with him.

The NT promises that the Church would be accompanied by the Holy Spirit to lead them in all truth.  Today the Church is splintered into hundreds and thousands of denominations.  It would seem God has abandoned the Church. 

The NT promises there would be miracles to accompany the gospel message.  This is not the case.  God is not on their team.

Jesus seems to start to lose it near the end of his ministry, becoming angry and overturning tables in the Temple. 

He is overly slanderous towards his opponents, the Pharisees, indicating he'd lost patience with his earthly ministry. 

He doesn't seem to have access to all knowledge, indicating God was no longer with him.

It seems Jesus was unable to accept failure, and continued on, getting himself executed in a pompous rivalry with earthly authorities.  On the cross, Jesus says, "Oh God, why have you forsaken me?" seeming to admit they had parted ways. 

Hence it would make sense that God didn't raise him from the dead.  Presumably the body went missing for whatever reason, and his followers moved along with a false conception of events via hallucination and group think, and started their own religion.  In their writings they tried to smooth things over as best they could.   

Perhaps the success of Christianity despite God's withdrawn investment was because God had prepared the way ahead of time in terms of what would have happened in history. 

It would seem salvation for humanity is not available after all. 


Outro:

All I've tried to do here is take the basic Christian supernatural premises for granted and make a better shitty argument than a Christian.  The moral of the story is that if we open the Pandora's box of religious epistemology, anything goes.  And anything an apologist can contrive to support a laundry list of unverifiable doctrines and supernatural propositions is really them talking out of their hindquarters.

Eventually I'll be sure to look up all the relevant verses and go searching for the apologetic responses to them in order to familiarize myself with the curve balls which would be coming my way (and to make sure my arguments actually work of course).  This is just my rough outline.  I'm not really even sure if I'd bother using this argument for anything other than practice in public debate since it's really just a mental exercise in lateral thinking. 

Any suggestions?

Ben

Sabio Declares Himself


I have posted a religious dialogue tool, which lists three ways to “Declare Thyself !”

I hope to put up some more in the future.  These posts are tables which help declare what sort of atheist, christian or philosopher you are.  Following are my declarations to illustrate how I use these tables.  I hope by making clear my positions I can facilitate dialogue with my visitors.  See it it helps you.  Take a chance, label yourself, put the tables on a post on your blog — remember, you can always change your mind!

My Atheist Positions

Level of Certainty:
Moderate
Level of Affirmation:
Strong
Stance toward Religion: Sympathetic
Openness: Open, but cautious
Degree of Action:
Debater — Activist (only my website)
Religious Participation:
Abstaining (rare)  — for now, but I may more in the future
Degree of Enchantment Enchanted
Mystical Inclination: Highly Mystical
(see here, here , here, here)
Belief History
Former Believer (wholehearted Christian)
Sect History
Christian, Baptist and charismatic (see my religious history)
Theory of Religion:
It evolved like all other mechanisms of mind.  I will elaborate later.
Non-theistic Leanings
I am partial to many Buddhist teachings and insights.
Part of me is a Panentheist, I think. (see, “Many Selves, No Self“)
Degree of  Secular
Superstitious Thinking
I have many little superstitious habits, most of them I am aware of and embrace.
View of Reason
Emotive-Rationalist.
Reason is only one tool of mind and never divorce of emotions.  Most of our decisions are made mechanically by our minds with intuitive heuristics, “willful reason” is not a big player.  We are largely a juggernaut of habit.
(see, Hyper-Rationalists)
Faith Items
I strongly believe that love, compassion, freedom and forgiveness are of great value.  I have no evidence to support this. (see this list of unprovable items scientists believe)

My Philosophical Positions

School of Philosophy:
not sure
Ontology:
Naturalist
Science: Scientific Realism
Theory of Time: not sure
Theology:
Atheist 90% (with flavors of Buddhist), Impersonal Pantheism 10%
Politics:
Libertarianism
Language: Fregeanism (probably, I am not sure)
Mind: 90% Physicalism + 10%  Anti-Physicalism
Mental Content: Internalism
Abstract Objects:
Nominalism
Knowledge:
not clear on the categories
Personal Identity:
not clear on the categories
Free Will:
not clear on the categories
Normative Ethics:
Not sure where my opinion lies
Meta-Ethics:
Not sure where my opinion lies

High School Censors RichardDawkins.net


Granted, it might have been more beneficial for me to be paying attention in class, but I’ve always thought that the RichardDawkins.net website was pretty darn educational (it is the website of an educational foundation, after all). They have podcasts about evolutionary science, links to stimulating articles, a banner asking non-believers to donate to Haiti. Today when I tried to access RichardDawkins.net today from my school’s Internet network I got a message that said that the website was blocked.

Observe (click to embiggen)

Perhaps it was an honest mistake… I’ve very politely e-mailed the peeps who do this stuff so maybe they will unblock it. If not, I shall update here.

Update: Somewhat unrelated, but I just thought I’d share the mission listed in my school district’s twitter page.

To inspire every student to think, to learn, to achieve, to care

Far as I can tell RD.net does three of the four.

328. Buffalo Springfield


They wrote and performed one of greatest songs ever about war, for what it’s worth. Click here to see its incorporation into the brilliant title sequence of the film Lord of War.

Your Thoughts?

Filed under: Film, Music, Videos Tagged: "For What It's Worth", "Lord of War, Buffalo Springfield, Classic Rock

But he doesn’t know my mom

This article on why an octopus is more awesome than your mom is generally accurate and valid — octopuses probably are more awesome than your mom — but suffers a bit from an incomplete survey of moms. The author has not met the awesome mom of me, nor is he acquainted with the ferocious Trophy Wife™, who also happens to moonlight as the indomitable Trophy Mother™.

Otherwise, though, it is an acceptable overview of octopodal merits.

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